FEATURE REQUESTS!

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS!

Post by steve_moog » Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:33 pm

As long as we're throwing things out there, a delay before the attack stage of envelopes would be fun. (DADSR)

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS!

Post by psymun » Tue Nov 26, 2024 1:26 am

A duophonic mode would be cool

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS!

Post by LWG » Wed Nov 27, 2024 2:04 am

till wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 1:12 pm
Kwamensah wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2024 5:14 pm...
12db/octave options for both filters. I'm assuming disabling poles could achieve this.
...
This would need some different design of the schematics. So all Muse would need to change their voice boards. And there needs to be a free pin available on the voice board connectors.

This is a world of analog synthesizers, where you can't add analog features. But all things created digital might be changed (like envelopes, lfos, etc.)
Greetings till,

If you recall, when Moog released the first series of Voyagers (Signature edition), both filters
only operated in their -24db/oct slope setting.
After one of the earlier firmware updates, it allowed the independent selection of poles 1-4.
Of course, the filter poles had to have been tapped in the hardware, but the firmware update
enabled them to be selected as a menu function.
Given this history with the Voyager, it is quite reasonable to wonder whether the Muse already
has the filter poles tapped and would later be made selectable from menu via firmware update.

Warm regards

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS!

Post by Guest » Wed Nov 27, 2024 2:28 am

LWG wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2024 2:04 am
till wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 1:12 pm
Kwamensah wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2024 5:14 pm...
12db/octave options for both filters. I'm assuming disabling poles could achieve this.
...
This would need some different design of the schematics. So all Muse would need to change their voice boards. And there needs to be a free pin available on the voice board connectors.

This is a world of analog synthesizers, where you can't add analog features. But all things created digital might be changed (like envelopes, lfos, etc.)
Greetings till,

If you recall, when Moog released the first series of Voyagers (Signature edition), both filters
only operated in their -24db/oct slope setting.
After one of the earlier firmware updates, it allowed the independent selection of poles 1-4.
Of course, the filter poles had to have been tapped in the hardware, but the firmware update
enabled them to be selected as a menu function.
Given this history with the Voyager, it is quite reasonable to wonder whether the Muse already
has the filter poles tapped and would later be made selectable from menu via firmware update.

Warm regards
This is what I was getting at. But I guess it depends on how the voices are laid out. If the filter is its own ic then it's highly likely that there is a leg for each pole. If it's the whole voice on one chip (like the take 5) then less likely. But being these voices are based on moog modular architecture it's more likely to be the former than the latter.

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS!

Post by steve_moog » Wed Nov 27, 2024 5:37 pm

Guest wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2024 2:28 am This is what I was getting at. But I guess it depends on how the voices are laid out. If the filter is its own ic then it's highly likely that there is a leg for each pole. If it's the whole voice on one chip (like the take 5) then less likely. But being these voices are based on moog modular architecture it's more likely to be the former than the latter.
Board member maffez shared pictures of the voice cards on https://maffez.com/?page_id=4776. It's not a voice on a chip, but they aren't filters on a chip either; they're discreet.

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS!

Post by Guest » Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:25 am

steve_moog wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2024 5:37 pm
Guest wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2024 2:28 am This is what I was getting at. But I guess it depends on how the voices are laid out. If the filter is its own ic then it's highly likely that there is a leg for each pole. If it's the whole voice on one chip (like the take 5) then less likely. But being these voices are based on moog modular architecture it's more likely to be the former than the latter.
Board member maffez shared pictures of the voice cards on https://maffez.com/?page_id=4776. It's not a voice on a chip, but they aren't filters on a chip either; they're discreet.
So in theory it's plausible they could isolate the poles for a 2 pole or even 1 or 3 pole modes.

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS!

Post by till » Thu Nov 28, 2024 11:38 am

steve_moog wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2024 5:37 pm
Guest wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2024 2:28 am This is what I was getting at. But I guess it depends on how the voices are laid out. If the filter is its own ic then it's highly likely that there is a leg for each pole. If it's the whole voice on one chip (like the take 5) then less likely. But being these voices are based on moog modular architecture it's more likely to be the former than the latter.
Board member maffez shared pictures of the voice cards on https://maffez.com/?page_id=4776. It's not a voice on a chip, but they aren't filters on a chip either; they're discreet.
When you look at this picture of the filter :
https://maffez.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... 36x690.jpg

you see there are no OP-Amps or other means needed to pick up the signal after each individual pole (you have to decouple, otherwise the filter will change drastically in its function. See other schematics for switchable poles). And you need external operated switch chips, to set the pole setting via the digital memory. These are also missing. So no switchable filter poles with the current Muse filters possible. Sorry.
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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS!

Post by Guest » Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:53 am

till wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 11:38 am
steve_moog wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2024 5:37 pm
Guest wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2024 2:28 am This is what I was getting at. But I guess it depends on how the voices are laid out. If the filter is its own ic then it's highly likely that there is a leg for each pole. If it's the whole voice on one chip (like the take 5) then less likely. But being these voices are based on moog modular architecture it's more likely to be the former than the latter.
Board member maffez shared pictures of the voice cards on https://maffez.com/?page_id=4776. It's not a voice on a chip, but they aren't filters on a chip either; they're discreet.
When you look at this picture of the filter :
https://maffez.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... 36x690.jpg

you see there are no OP-Amps or other means needed to pick up the signal after each individual pole (you have to decouple, otherwise the filter will change drastically in its function. See other schematics for switchable poles). And you need external operated switch chips, to set the pole setting via the digital memory. These are also missing. So no switchable filter poles with the current Muse filters possible. Sorry.
*sobs* I GUESS that means I'll need to get another synth for 2 pole duties :p

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS!

Post by tristanshoutsf » Thu May 15, 2025 1:22 pm

Modulation sources that exist at the voice level are not routable to the CV outs (unless I missed something - only had a Muse for <24 hours). This includes all EGs and LFOs (everything before Keyboard in the source list). It would be nice if these sources could be sent to the CV outs under certain conditions:
- LFOs set to Global type in any voice control mode
- EGs and LFOs (regardless of type) when timbre is set to Mono

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS!

Post by tristanshoutsf » Sat May 17, 2025 12:58 am

It'd be nice if there were a way to edit the keyboard split point actually using the keyboard instead of just the value encoder. Something like press and hold Enter or Shift and press a key.

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS!

Post by tristanshoutsf » Sat May 17, 2025 1:00 am

It'd be nice if there were a way to easily transpose a timbre in split mode, even if it's just by octaves (e.g., transpose timbre A up one octave but leave timbre B where it is). Perhaps a couple more entries in the Voice Control More page for this? Yes of course one can transpose the oscs, mod osc, filters, etc, but that's considerably more tedious and error-prone.

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS!

Post by Push-Pull » Sun May 25, 2025 12:45 pm

Some suggestions too:

- The led of frequency of the MOD OSC should blink and the rate should display in Hz like others OSC.
- A kbd tracking 25% and 75% in filters ? I do that with the Mod Map, but it could be cool.
- A "constant value" in the sources in the Mod Map ?
- A "latch mode" as a variant for the Hold could be really cool !

And the more important one:

- Please oh please add an oneshot mode in LFO1 and LFO2 ! Two envelopes are not enough on this beast !

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS!

Post by steve_moog » Fri May 30, 2025 9:54 pm

Push-Pull wrote: Sun May 25, 2025 12:45 pm Some suggestions too:

- The led of frequency of the MOD OSC should blink and the rate should display in Hz like others OSC.
- A kbd tracking 25% and 75% in filters ? I do that with the Mod Map, but it could be cool.
- A "constant value" in the sources in the Mod Map ?
- A "latch mode" as a variant for the Hold could be really cool !

And the more important one:

- Please oh please add an oneshot mode in LFO1 and LFO2 ! Two envelopes are not enough on this beast !
Hey,in fw 1.4 you got your constant value mod source (offset)!

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS!

Post by steve_moog » Fri May 30, 2025 9:56 pm

tristanshoutsf wrote: Thu May 15, 2025 1:22 pm Modulation sources that exist at the voice level are not routable to the CV outs (unless I missed something - only had a Muse for <24 hours). This includes all EGs and LFOs (everything before Keyboard in the source list). It would be nice if these sources could be sent to the CV outs under certain conditions:
- LFOs set to Global type in any voice control mode
- EGs and LFOs (regardless of type) when timbre is set to Mono
It looks like the new global mod sources can be routed to CV outs.

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS!

Post by steve_moog » Fri May 30, 2025 9:59 pm

sbell.sd wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:47 pm 1. A quantize function in the mod matrix.
2. Be able to use the "value" encoder for fine/ultra fine tuning, the shift/fine tune feature is not well implemented.
3. Custom LFO wave shape as short of a pule as possible.
4. For OSCs 1 and 2 in more add Cents offset and sub-cents offset with encoder knob
5. For OSCs 1 and 2, add default off set to 0.0000 feature into more area
6. Master tune
7. Get autotune closer to A440 (usually off by at least .5 HZ)
Tighter autotuning of oscillators, as now usually at least .5 differences) to .1 hz off between oscillators
8. A stretch, add fine tuning for every voice card and oscillator: osc1, osc2 and mod oscillator, (24 of these).

It is extremely rare the tuning is tight (all OCSs within .25 HZ at 440 HZ), but it then sounds spectacular.
The new latching shift key has made the fine tuning way more tolerable for me in fw v1.4. Plus it added master tune so that's nice.

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