What is the MuRF based on?
What is the MuRF based on?
I've seen an ad in some other forum(analogue heaven, gas station, yahoo) that shows a rack mount effect called the MuRF from the 70's.
Has anyone eles seen this?
Has anyone eles seen this?
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There's the Buchla MARF (Multiple ARbitrary Function generator):
http://www.synthtech.com/pix/buchla/marf/marf_1.jpg
Maybe you were thinking of that?
http://www.synthtech.com/pix/buchla/marf/marf_1.jpg
Maybe you were thinking of that?
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hmm... I don't think so. Actually imo the whole concept is a plain "rip-off" of the z.vex seekwah /oohwah pedals. Zvex is the guy who did the pioneering here, not moog!
AND YES! I KNOW that the murf works with different filter, has more posibilities - I was talking about the idea itself. It most def. NOT original Moog.
AND YES! I KNOW that the murf works with different filter, has more posibilities - I was talking about the idea itself. It most def. NOT original Moog.
do you actually think Zvex invented this concept? Sample and hold filters have been around for a loooooong time. The murf isn;t a sample and hold effect.blue_lu wrote:hmm... I don't think so. Actually imo the whole concept is a plain "rip-off" of the z.vex seekwah /oohwah pedals. Zvex is the guy who did the pioneering here, not moog!
AND YES! I KNOW that the murf works with different filter, has more posibilities - I was talking about the idea itself. It most def. NOT original Moog.
not saying zvex is great...his pedals are amazing but he certainly did not invent sample and hold
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LOL. You have no idea what you're talking about. Its a COMPLETELY different concept, not even close to the same thingblue_lu wrote:hmm... I don't think so. Actually imo the whole concept is a plain "rip-off" of the z.vex seekwah /oohwah pedals. Zvex is the guy who did the pioneering here, not moog!
AND YES! I KNOW that the murf works with different filter, has more posibilities - I was talking about the idea itself. It most def. NOT original Moog.
The Seek Wah is ONE lowpass filter with a built in 8-step sequencer that controls the cutoff of the filter (the same as an old analog-style sequencer, NOT new, just repackage as a guitar pedal). The MuRF is an array of EIGHT bandpass filters whose cutoff frequencies are hardwired to different frequencies. The levels of the bandpass filters are being controlled by a bank of set patterns. Not the same, not by a mile.
Don't get me wrong either. ZVex makes outstanding, brilliant stuff. But to say the MuRF is the same as the Seek Wah is just blatantly ignorant. If you can't tell the difference just by listening you need to have your ears checked.
God, TENSION lies in the air... relax man!
Well you quoted my whole post, so why didn't you read it completely? I wrote that the idea itself, namely having a signal filtered by a sequenced pattern, is a rip off of the zvex pedal. I also stated that I knew that from a technical point of few the murf and the zvex ARE two very different animals, same thing with the sound goes for the sound of the demos (unfortunately I don't own neither MuRF nor SeekWah...). So - YES - your points are right on, BUT they were not my points! . The IDEA is what I'm referring to - Sequenced Filter, whether one cutoff filter sequenced in eight steps OR eight bandpass filters sequenced in a row... the concept - the idea is the pretty similar and therefore not "a completely new effect". It is at least "a heavily inspired by XY brand new effect".
I have to admit that I did not know about the sample and hold though - so I guess Zvex idea was not original itself. So therefore I'm willing to burry the war axe and somke the peace pipe.
cheers, the technical idiot
Well you quoted my whole post, so why didn't you read it completely? I wrote that the idea itself, namely having a signal filtered by a sequenced pattern, is a rip off of the zvex pedal. I also stated that I knew that from a technical point of few the murf and the zvex ARE two very different animals, same thing with the sound goes for the sound of the demos (unfortunately I don't own neither MuRF nor SeekWah...). So - YES - your points are right on, BUT they were not my points! . The IDEA is what I'm referring to - Sequenced Filter, whether one cutoff filter sequenced in eight steps OR eight bandpass filters sequenced in a row... the concept - the idea is the pretty similar and therefore not "a completely new effect". It is at least "a heavily inspired by XY brand new effect".
I have to admit that I did not know about the sample and hold though - so I guess Zvex idea was not original itself. So therefore I'm willing to burry the war axe and somke the peace pipe.
cheers, the technical idiot
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Actually, the Seek Wah doesn't use a sample and hold. Its just an eight step sequencer that has a random mode where it cycles through the steps randomly.
Zvex did not invent the idea of a sequenced filter, it was on the original Moog modulars designed by Bob Moog. People have been sequencing filters for 50 years!
Zvex did not invent the idea of a sequenced filter, it was on the original Moog modulars designed by Bob Moog. People have been sequencing filters for 50 years!
The first sequencers Dr. Moog worked on were invented by Raymond Scott, for whom Bob was doing freelance engineering. Bob credited Raymond Scott as the inventor of the modern sequencer and didn't use Scott's innovations in the first Moog sequencers out of respect for the very secretive Scott.
Check out: http://raymondscott.com/
Check out: http://raymondscott.com/