The (good) rumor says that Moog Music are building two Analog Delays both slightly more expensive and both with more delay time than the original, MF-104. The MF-104SD will be a very limited edition of 250 pieces (SD = ‘Super Delay’). The original MF-104 had a delay time of 800 msec. The SD will have a delay time of 1400 msec or 1.4 seconds. MoogMusic will broadly announce the availability of the MF-104Z (it will be introduced publicly at Summer NAMM – July 22). The Z will be a 1000 msec delay. One Full Second of delay time will make the MF-104Z the longest standalone analog delay module on the market.
I’m very interested in this news..missed the first run of MF104s. Yawgmoth, do your sources know what BBDs are used in the new MF104s? Thanks for the info!!!
Just got the newsletter announcing the 104Z and it looks like an excellent piece of kit.
Would be interesting to know if bbd chips are being manufactured again for general use, or if its a custom deal similar to what CEM is doing with their chips for the Evolver series.
I think if you have a line in with a dealer that knows about the SD, you may consider the pre-order on it. Since there are going to be a very limited run of these, I think dealers will not be able to get very large allotments, they’ll sell out quicker than the Z version, but I"m sure the Zs will move quite briskly too…does anyone know what is the total number in this run of the MF104Zs?
Does anyone have an idea when the 104 SD is planned on being released? Also, if there’s only 250 of them, it would seem that they would sell for more than the 104 Z?
I think they’ll both be released in September. The SD is like a $100 more than the Z. The prices listed were MSRP so they were cheaper when I checked Sweetwater prices for example. They’re selling the Z for $689.97. The SD was $700 something but I can’t remember exactly because they took the information down due to the limited run. I did put an order in for the SD though.
does anyone know the shortest delay time on the SD?
I’ll probably be getting the Z unless the SD has a shorter delay time and i’m lucky enough to get one.
I’m a bit pissed off (not really i’m thrilled at the chance to get a 104 of any kind) that the original has 10ms shorter shortest (104 = 40-800ms, 104z = 50-1000ms) delay time than the z but i wouldn’t pay $900 more for 10ms if you know what i mean.
I doubt it would have a shorter minimum, though I’m not sure. But if you’re looking for a delay time that small I think you should also consider looking into a chorus pedal.
Nah, i don’t want a chorus (well i kinda do but you can use the z or original 104 for chorus, chorus effects are usually within 30-60ms) it’s phasing and flanging that are closer to what i’d like to do with the sd (if it does have a really short delay time that is) but really, i just want to play around with the crazy things that can happen in the haas zone in a more experimental way than using stock standard time-modulation effects. Sure Phaser, flanger and chorus are all really cool and if I wanted a phaser (which i do) i would get the moog one (which i will) that would be far better than any phaser effect i could approximate with a delay, but it’s the other noises that nobody likes enough for someone to make a pedal, that i want to explore.
But any 104 could make me happy, it’s rare to be able to play around with delay as much as moog has made possible.
