Please add via firmware update: edit state indication. It’s bad enough you omitted even a small OLED screen (a la Sub37) on a digitally controlled analog with 256 patch memories. But no visual indication of whether a parameter’s saved value has been changed and/or how to return it to its saved value is a big UX fumble. Look to the Novation Bass Station 2 for a clue how this might be implemented. One of the buttons could light up if a patch has been edited and the (already part of the UX design) 16 buttons could indicate new value/return to value.
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Suggested implementation: make the [PANEL] button blink/pulse slowly to indicate when patch is in edited state. And then as mentioned above, buttons 1-16 indicate parameter value (as elsewhere in the UX design), center/off indicating return to saved value; lit buttons L/R from center indicate value -/+ away from saved value. Buttons automatically light/indicate when a parameter control is moved/changed. Then return to default state after a second or so. Easy peasy. Thanks!
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For parameters which involve state selection (e.g. LFO WAVESHAPE, FILTER MODE, OSC. OCTAVE, MOD DEST., etc.) the saved state could blink while the edited state remains solid. And for parameters which are on/off only, they would simply blink/pulse if their state is edited.
i just want to co-sign that this would be a solid addition to the firmware.
At it’s minimum, it could be an indication when any control in general have deviated from the save patch. But ideally, an indication when moving a control, whether it is higher or lower than the save patch.
my BS2 and Prophet 5 Rev 4 both have pretty bare bones implementation of this feature, but it’s still a big help.
Only had the Messenger for a week, but there’s 2 things I’d like to see in an update.
The first would be to be able to assign more than one destination to the performance sources.
For example, assign expression to both filt. cutoff and osc. wav mod amount.
Maybe use one or more of the pages for this.
And while cool, it would be more flexible to be able to disable the hardwired routings of the pitch and mod wheels,
and be able to assign them to one or more different things.
For example, use the mod wheel to control cutoff or resonance directly without activating it through an lfo.
BTW- the Messenger is great. It’s exceeded my expectations, so this isn’t a complaint, just a wish list.
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I’d like to be able to set the modulation amounts for the mod wheel destinations, at the moment there’s no way to say fully modulate the volume and the pitch a little
I’d like rachets in the sequencer. They’re in the Mother-32 and the Matriarch, to name a few, so why not?
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For being able to use the arpeggiator with Ableton in local control off, we need a filter to NOT SEND Arp via midi out (as it exists for the sequencer in menu 2.4 :4)
Actually the ARP work if local control is on, not off… because of that.
Please: MOD WHEEL as Source Destination at ModMatrix. Ability to switch Pitchbend on and off for different OSC.
Pitch wheel default set to +2 -2 semitones.
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Please Add a program volume parameter, saved by patch. Too much volume differences between programs.
Make the arpeggiator and sequencer more reactive when midi synced. I don’t use them because it always start playing a step after, and not in time
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Love the messenger and great bang for buck. The one thing I wish it had was a paraphonic mode. This is the one thing I am missing. Bass Station implemented this via a firmware update. Is this something that is being considered for future updates?
Hi, I really enjoy my moog messenger, but I would like to agree with the above comments, especially for features that are commonly available on popular synth with cheaper price…
- Need to have visual indication of current patch parameter value (novation bass station or as described above)
- Would be nice to control 2 parameters with a modulation source (example : filter cutoff + pitch osc)
- Would be nice to have fine tune mode of osc 2 detune (novation bass station)
- Would be great to control filter with mod wheel
Thanks for your work !
Hello, I think it would be nice to be able to send the same modulation source (for example the expression pedal) to multiple destinations at the same time.
I’d also like to be able to remap the cv I/O, especially the pitch output. I thought about it while bringing my unit home from the local music store: what if the pitch output could provide an envelope (the filter one, specifically) instead? Maybe the LFOs as well?
While driving home from said store, I was thinking that I could set the filter in highpass mode with low cutoff and high resonance to get a bump in the low end, then use an external filter (like the MF-101 or maybe the one included in the MF-Drive) for articulation… but that requires an envelope, I could use an external module and trigger it with the gate out but, while it would be more flexible, it would be convenient controlling an external filter directly with the Messenger envelope.
I’d probably use the LFO less than the envelope, but I could see myself using it for pitch tracked modulation (using LFO1) or to add movement only on certain passages using the modwheel (using LFO2). I guess it could be cool using it to control a MF-103 or a Spectravox.
Remapping the pitch cv input could be useful as well (but it’s less of a priority for me, because the internal sequencer is quite powerful, the controls are accessible via MIDI, there’s already the expression input which works quite well).
Hi! I’m enjoying the Messenger so far, but I’m stuck in my workflow because of the sequencer control behavior. I control patch changes and send midi notes from the Elektron Digitakt to the Messenger. I have saved a preset on the Messenger with sequencer on (play button engaged), and the configuration 1.7 (SEQ mode) set to ‘PGM2 = play seq at transposing KB keypress’. When recalling the preset, the play button is off and the sequencer doesn’t start when a midi note is played (or send from the digitakt). When configuration 1.7 (SEQ mode) is set to ‘PGM2’, the preset should preferably load with the play button setting as it is saved. This way the sequencer control can behave similar to the Subsequent 37, which works much better in combination with an external sequencer. With configuration 1.7 (SEQ mode) set to ‘PGM1’, I assume it is better to keep it as it is so the play button is off when loading a patch so the sequencer does not start automatically. Can this be added to a firmware update? Or is this already possible and did I miss something in the configuration menu?
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Posted this in the wrong forum at first but here:
The Messenger is kind of a modern day Moog Realistic MG-1 . It would be cool if future firmware updates included divide down polyphony as an option too. It wouldn’t be hard to implement and would make this synth a sleeper classic
I’ve posted this also in the topic ‘Arp issue with MIDI’, but also want to mention it in this topic.
The Messenger’s arpeggiator timing is always off beat when sequenced from an external sequencer. With the Subsequent 37, when an external sequencer sends a midi playback start command, the arpeggiator its timing is restarted and plays in sync. On the Messenger, the timing is not restarted with the playback command. It plays the correct tempo but not in sync. I hope this can be updated in the next firmware!
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The option to sync the arpeggiator to each keypress would also be welcome. As well for the Messenger as for the Subsequent 37.
a keyboard reset option would be great to keep the arp in time when transposing
I’d like to see classic UP&DOWN ARP pattern. Easy to add in the empty arp pattern slots.