MF-104 Delay Time Sync

calvinistsandlutherans · Post by **calvinistsandlutherans** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:09 am

Hi all,

My question: is it possible to sync the delay time of the MF-104 with the rate of an LFO?

As I understand the specs a CV signal to the TIME input will just sweep the range - i.e. the rate itself can't actually be synced with anything (no way to send a clock pulse or something, a la the MURF).

Is this correct? Has anyone tried any interesting workarounds? I can imagine that syncing delay time modulation with a beat (using the multipedal, say) would be pretty cool, if totally different.

Thanks!

EricK · Post by **EricK** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:15 pm

Im going to say that I don't think so. Unless you just used your ears alone.

I don't think theres any type of "Tap Tempo" feature or anything like that that will actively sync the delay time like you are referring, although that would be most useful.

Eric

willi · Post by **willi** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 5:06 pm

Perhaps it would be possible with some work; all the BBD chips inside every MF104Z should have the same number of steps (1024?)... Is the Rate knob controlling how many 1 millisecond steps it goes through before repeating? From there, a little math could give you millisecond to BPM values, but you might need something with more control than the Rate knob in order to get an exact value from the device.

Perhaps it could be an external device that then outputs an appropriate CV?

Bryan T · Post by **Bryan T** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:58 pm

I'm hopeful that a future update for the MP-201 will let the user sync a delay time to a clock. You already can sync the LFO's to a clock in the MP-201. We've discussed some of the practical considerations in the Controllers forum.

As a standalone device, you can't currently sync the delay to a clock.

Bryan

calvinistsandlutherans · Post by **calvinistsandlutherans** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:26 pm

Thanks all. Ahhhh... A MURFesque tempo input would be really, really cool on the 104. There's no reason such a thing wouldn't be feasible, no? I'd love to see it included. Any 104 owners out there find themselves seriously wishing this feature was there?

Don't get me wrong though, I still want one!

Bryan T · Post by **Bryan T** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:51 pm

Have a read through this thread to see some of the issues involved. I don't think they are insurmountable, but a solution would require calibration for each individual delay pedal.

http://www.moogmusic.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5710

Bryan

Bryan B · Post by **Bryan B** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:42 am

I have the money to get the delay pedal right now (and it is the last MF to complete my collection), but the lack of a tap tempo, or tempo sync is making me think twice.

If I wait long enough, I may be able to finally afford a Voyager rack!

But then I will need the inbox and outbox to make it sing.

EricK · Post by **EricK** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 1:35 pm

Id wait.

And Novamusik.com offers such great deals on stuff, just when you think you can't afford something they have a nice special or will come down enough to make you realize you can buy many things.

Eric

Alien8 · Post by **Alien8** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:36 pm

buy the Line 6 echo park... that way you can keep most of your MF-104 money, and have a versatile pedal to boot.

But honestly, I haven't found a better delay than the combo of the two of these... Even without the tap tempo on the 104...

Jazzpunk · Post by **Jazzpunk** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:58 pm

Bryan B wrote:I have the money to get the delay pedal right now (and it is the last MF to complete my collection), but the lack of a tap tempo, or tempo sync is making me think twice.

Ditto

Bryan B · Post by **Bryan B** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:35 pm

Bryan B wrote:I have the money to get the delay pedal right now (and it is the last MF to complete my collection), but the lack of a tap tempo, or tempo sync is making me think twice.

If I wait long enough, I may be able to finally afford a Voyager rack! But then I will need the inbox and outbox to make it sing.

I couldn't wait. I ordered the MF-104z today, signature edition.

EricK · Post by **EricK** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:55 pm

Hmmm thats a different Moog diagnosis....

Moog Acquirereitis

Symptoms: Having the money for a Moog but the desire to hold out on buying it quickly turns to a purchase confirmation email.

Since you are obviously suffering from this condition then you are now in Moog Purgatory.

(For those of you not educated in Eric's dictionary of Moog disorders, Moog purgatory is the state of being in a constant waiting period caused by the recent purchase of a Moog Product. SYmptoms appear upon initial purchase but do not fully manifest until the parcel is "Out for Delivery" in the period before the package arrives. Upon Arrival of the package the patient enters the final phase which has come to be known as Moog Heaven)

THere is no treatment for this disorder other than being broke or being bogged down with bills.

I will keep you in my thoughts as you work through your condition.

Respectfully,
Eric

Voltor07 · Post by **Voltor07** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:09 am

EricK, can I put my order in for a leather bound, gilded copy of The Moog Diagnosis Handbook? I'm totally serious here, not being my wiseass self. That would be an awesome thing to have!

Bryan B · Post by **Bryan B** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:46 pm

Moog Acquirereitis
Spot on with your diagnosis.

I also bought a rack for my 2nd row of 3 MF's. Now I have 2 signature pedals (Phaser and the Delay) and 4 regular pedals (FreqBox, Bass MuRF, Lowpass and the Ring mod for a complete set.

I have half of a short rack with a CP-251 waiting for that day when I can get a Voyager and the CV expander.

I am totally stuck in loop, happily. If Moog would just resort to making crappy stuff, then I wouldn't have to buy all this great equipment

RichardK · Post by **RichardK** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:45 pm

Can you use the LFO square-wave output from the 351, then set the LFO on the Voyager to MIDI sync, to sync the 104 somehow?