MF 104SD, sound quality difference between "short"

sethsquatch · Post by **sethsquatch** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:06 pm

I just recently aquired a MF 104SD, love it, but I noticed that the sound quality audibly diminishes from the "short" delay setting to the "long" delay setting. When the switch is on "short" the delayed signal is almost a perfect replica of the direct signal, but in the "long" mode, it is much more muffled. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with the pedal? Please advise.

MarkM · Post by **MarkM** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:19 pm

That is normal.

Duke Foog · Post by **Duke Foog** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:37 pm

there's a post about this somewhere in here about how the sd cuts of the highs on the long setting. you can really hear this when you put the ring mod in the effects loop and have a high frequency. all of those high bells get cut. too bad about this but i still love mine

sethsquatch · Post by **sethsquatch** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:11 pm

thanks for the prompt reply. I paid a pretty penny for it, so I'm glad that its not F'd.

godzilla · Post by **godzilla** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:52 am

it halves the bandwidth i think? to get twice the delay time.

i had the idea of using 2 pitch-shifters to get higher freq to echo on the long settings.

if you plug your sound device into a pitch shifter that makes it an octave lower before the MF104SD, and plug the output of the MF104SD into another pitch shifter (octave up this time) you should end up with the same pitch you started with plus long echos, but without loosing that top-end.

not sure if this works, never tried it as i don't even have 1 pitvh shifter, but i'm sure it would be a lot of fun

Impossible Sound · Post by **Impossible Sound** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:24 pm

It's part of the charm of analog delays. If you want perfect replicas at long delay times, that's what digital delays are good at.

matt the fiddler · Post by **matt the fiddler** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:42 pm

godzilla, shifting pitch and time is only possible in a recording. that is not doable live..

at that point, just go digital or do the delay to tape [2nd track] and just nudge it back...

godzilla · Post by **godzilla** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:12 am

matt the fiddler wrote:godzilla, shifting pitch and time is only possible in a recording. that is not doable live..

at that point, just go digital or do the delay to tape [2nd track] and just nudge it back...

that's exactly why it would work, if you just got a couple of octave pedals or maybe even a couple of whammy pedals, then you ccould lower the pitch (so that the 104 could produce echos of that pitch) then raise the pitch after (of the original sound and the echos)

because you can't effect time in real time, the echos wouyld remain at the length set by the delay time knob.

c7sus · Post by **c7sus** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:23 am

Plug an expression pedal into the Delay Time CV input and you essentially have a whammy pedal that will shift pitch as you shift the delay time. Longer delay times lower the pitch.

Sounds cooler than hell on a guitar.