Question for Moog owners.

[EricK]

So it's all coming back to what is your goal for your instrument?

I mean for the price of a Voyager, you could get a Phatty and a Prophet PE module and have the bestof both worlds, all the synthesis with Moog sound and polyphony and still have some room to get a fooger to go along with it (depending on the prices).

The phatty has a digital noise source.

There are many options out there, the Oberheim SEM, the various DSI units, Slim Phatty/Minitaur, Studio Electronix SE1x, etc. Any of these you can maximize your purchase by mixing and matching that will equal the price of the Voyager, but it's just a matter of what you really want out of the instrument.

The only thing about going modular is that you need some real deep pockets because your system is never really complete lol, and there are many brands and formats there to choose from, and you can get some great synthesizers for the price of the Voyager.

For that matter, going with a fully contained synth in a smaller form like a Phatty for the Moog sound, you can put together a set of supplemental modules just catering to complex modulation to take the place of where the Phatty leaves off, and then when you are ready to sell another car (heh) you can expand.

Theres really a lot of wiggle room.

Eric

[Box]

I'm confused...you talk about the CP-251 being too much work, yet previously you were thinking dot com. Hate to say it, but a modular is WAY more work than using a CP-251 with an LP.

It is too much work. Have to patch in noise with presets, that's ludicrous. Patching in noise into a non preset modular is fine though. Don't ask me why, but that's how my mind operates. If the LP didn't have patch memory either I'd be ok with it. Yes, I know this is mental. No, I can't help it.

So it's all coming back to what is your goal for your instrument?

I mean for the price of a Voyager, you could get a Phatty and a Prophet PE module and have the bestof both worlds, all the synthesis with Moog sound and polyphony and still have some room to get a fooger to go along with it (depending on the prices).

The phatty has a digital noise source.

There are many options out there, the Oberheim SEM, the various DSI units, Slim Phatty/Minitaur, Studio Electronix SE1x, etc. Any of these you can maximize your purchase by mixing and matching that will equal the price of the Voyager, but it's just a matter of what you really want out of the instrument.

The only thing about going modular is that you need some real deep pockets because your system is never really complete lol, and there are many brands and formats there to choose from, and you can get some great synthesizers for the price of the Voyager.

For that matter, going with a fully contained synth in a smaller form like a Phatty for the Moog sound, you can put together a set of supplemental modules just catering to complex modulation to take the place of where the Phatty leaves off, and then when you are ready to sell another car (heh) you can expand.

Theres really a lot of wiggle room.

Eric

I'm wanting massive bass and leads that mono synths are known to have. All hands on control would be nice, but I'm used to not having that. The Rolands have me covered on analogue poly stuff. So, that's really what I'm needing/wanting. I know the Phatty has noise as a LFO source, couldn't find anything about as an audio source. Unless...maybe noise as a LFO source, and turn the LFO all the way up into the audio range...maybe. If I were able to play with things that'd help to sort things out. Then I could decide for sure. The video series of Jordan Rudess and the LP, had me really wanting one. Back before I was so picky. This one in particular: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hufwMENvhI Just the basic sound, before adding in the Freq Box is nice. Can only imagine how good it'd sound in person and not over YouTube.

[Box]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVzTSsV-goc

Found that while listening to some LP videos. A few of the patches clearly have noise as an audio source. So maybe my thought of using noise as an LFO source and turning the rate up into the audio range works then. If so I can buy a LP and not have anything to bitch about.

[filtered]

if I put this much thought into every instrument I bought, I'd be sporting a straight jacket...but that's just me...

[Box]

if I put this much thought into every instrument I bought, I'd be sporting a straight jacket...but that's just me...

I'm very, eh, particular when it comes to the these kinds of things. I research the Hell out of everything. Have spent the last few days watching various videos and reading up on various reviews, manuals, and what not. Not having the ability to try in person first I kind of have to. Before I had bought synths in the past, only to be sorely disappointed and turn around and sell them quickly. I try and avoid that as much as possible now. Think this is bad, should see me shopping for cars.

[filtered]

Think this is bad, should see me shopping for cars

hahaha! well, at least you're on the right track towards a synth that you'll have to live up to , verses a digiturd that you try to polish...

[Box]

I actually like digital, when it's being digital and not trying to be something else. Have a Yamaha SY77 that I just love the sound of. I got it solely for the FM engine of it(DX7 on steroids), but the samples are actually quite nice for being 20+ years old. Analogue is my first and true love though.

[LivePsy]

You are almost certainly missing out on unexpected delights because you research so heavily before buying. Because you are limiting the choices to that which you already know. Take a chance, buy something you aren't really sure about. Learn from things which you didn't think were useful. I don't think any experienced synthesist picked their gear by masterplan. There's always a timeline of disappointing purchases, sales you regret and then repurchase, and gear which totally changed how you even think about music.

Your passion for synths is priceless and while your wallet isn't, I say seize the day. You will grow more by committing yourself to make music entirely from something you struggle with, than from non-creative doodling from an ear-gasmic synth in which all the sounds are golden.

How do you know what's right for you? That's right, no one including you can know that

Cheers,
B

[EricK]

Also, especially for the foogers, Moog tends to suffer from not having any really good youtube demos.

[Box]

Maybe you're right. Instead of over analyzing everything to death, just go for it. Not in my nature though. I do know I want a mono synth though. I think it'll help to reinforce me as a musician. Force me to play in a different style. I like the idea of a challenge for once, honestly have been kind of bored with music lately. Same old same old, what drove me to "Hey, why don't I go buy a Moog?" Change things up and what not. Part of why I want something with no patch memory, force me to make something new each time. Try to rekindle that immense passion I had when I first started.

[sunny pedaal]

i tried a lot of synth's
always looked up to "moog"
at last bought me a multimoog.
still remember that day: the sound, the feeling all matched.
never got off moog ( although also have other brands)

so if you feel like it: go buy that moog. and more moog then a voyager, with less hassle , can not be found i guess.
it's like l'oreal: because you're worth it..

[Box]

I am worth it. Only other options would be some old Yamaha, Roland, and Korg units. That or maybe a Pro One or Mopho. I don't know what it is, Moogs just have a distinctive sound to them. I like it. "Classic" would be a good way to describe them. I'm a bass man, I just love bass sounds. Always have heard Moog was king when it came to bass. Then again, I know of tracks that used the Pro One, and it was quite nice too.

Some says it's the VCO's
Others say it's the ladder filter
All we know is that we call it the Sti...Moog.

[LivePsy]

Ever since Switched on Bach and a demo of the Minimoog D at a local music store, I have wanted a Moog. Not for the mystique of the name but the sounds. My Voyager some 40 years later is that want satisfied. Its not the end all of Moogs, but its semi modular and as confortable as an old pair of shoes. It even has a birthday

I can only say that if you want a Moog then if you can afford it and not go bankrupt or sell a kidney, just get one. You can't go wrong with any recent Moog model. And they are all different enough that you could justify buying a different model later and keep your first one.

Cheers,
B

[Box]

I had a dream in which I had a LP, I think it's a sign of sorts.

[filtered]

get the LP, if just for the overdrive! it's sweeeet! or that is, savory...haha!
then, after a couple years with the LP, get a Voyager to go with it!