Minitaur vs. Slim Phatty

ricknboogie · Post by **ricknboogie** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:18 pm

Your point is understood, but you're missing the real point. If you want an "all-in-one", you want the Taurus 3. This new Minitaur is an affordable MIDI device. Most users would already own a controller of some sort. If you want one, you'll need a controller-OR a set of Taurus pedals.

Sir Nose · Post by **Sir Nose** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:33 pm

I would have used patch storage. For the cost, I still think the Minitaur will be nice. And still very usable live and in the sudio.

My dream Taurusaurus would have included a 16 step grid sequencer with a snapshot of each parameter setting saved on each step with the ability to slew the values between steps if desired.

Assar · Post by **Assar** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:00 pm

ricknboogie wrote:Your point is understood, but you're missing the real point. If you want an "all-in-one", you want the Taurus 3. This new Minitaur is an affordable MIDI device. Most users would already own a controller of some sort. If you want one, you'll need a controller-OR a set of Taurus pedals.

No, I'm not missing the point.
I don't want an "all-in-one", I have keyboards enough as it is.
It is very not-practical to have to get another external midi-device (except from synth and midi-keyboards) to be able to quickly change sound in a live situation. If the Minitaurus had the abilty to save patches I could use only the already existing midi keyboards with it.

muksys · Post by **muksys** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:30 pm

Assar wrote:If the Minitaurus had the abilty to save patches I could use only the already existing midi keyboards with it.

Then, if it's that important to have presets, you need the T3. I really don't see what the argument is here. The Minitaur and the T3 are the EXACT same synth, except the T3 has a lot more bells and whistles. So, you can get a Minitaur with presets. Its called a Taurus 3.

EricK · Post by **EricK** » Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:42 am

Are they really EXACT? I mean did they tell you that?

Doesn't the literature say that it is based off the T3, and isn't the osc a dual wave?

Please, corect me if I'm wrong because if Cyril or someone told you that then hey, thats a good thing to know.

Eric

Assar · Post by **Assar** » Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:27 am

muksys wrote:Then, if it's that important to have presets, you need the T3. I really don't see what the argument is here. The Minitaur and the T3 are the EXACT same synth, except the T3 has a lot more bells and whistles. So, you can get a Minitaur with presets. Its called a Taurus 3.

I don't want another keyboard. It takes too much space.

I guess you can say that a synth can contain some different functionality:
1. Sound module ("the synth")
2. Augmented functions. Like patch storage, sequenser, arpeggiator and others
3. Keyboard

Minitaurus has 1.
Taurus 3 has 1, 2 and 3.

I don't need another 3.
I need 2 (patch storage).

¿Entiendes?

dan thacker · Post by **dan thacker** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:13 pm

I think not having patches is a plus.

Sir Nose · Post by **Sir Nose** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:31 pm

EricK wrote:Are they really EXACT? I mean did they tell you that?

Doesn't the literature say that it is based off the T3, and isn't the osc a dual wave?

Please, corect me if I'm wrong because if Cyril or someone told you that then hey, thats a good thing to know.

Eric

I know what you are saying. I assumed they would boast that it was the same signal path, if it was. Especially, since the T3 was stated to be the same as the T1.

I would be surprised if there were not noticeable sonic differences, between the T3 and the minitaur. Other than the added saw and LFO differences and envelope differences. I do expect the filter to be the same as the T1 and T3. I don't see Moog saying this is trying to be a T1 or T3 in a desktop synth. I see them saying this is the best budget bass synth on the market. The ad said something like: the minitaur is the next synth in the Taurus line.

muksys · Post by **muksys** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:26 pm

Yeah, I stand corrected. After I posted that, I started looking more closely at the Minitaur. The big differences I see are the addition of a square wave at both VCO's, a full ADSR EG for both the vol & filter and the removal of square, ramp & saw LFO waveforms (bummmmer!). It says the sawtooth VCO's are from the Taurus and both use the 24dB ladder filter, so it will get the exact sound as a T3, with, what appears more flexability (with the addition of a CP-251, LP with CV out, Voyager or 3rd party module for additional LFO waveforms), but without presest. But, I'm sure there will be some form of Editor, either official or non (ctrlr and the like) that will have the ability to save the editors settings in a library. I guess just wait a couple of months after release and see what pops up on the software end.

mico · Post by **mico** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:02 am

Can the Minitaur talk to the Phatty line in a Round-Robin algorithmic fashion? This is a ridiculously important selling point for me.

kc6flg · Post by **kc6flg** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:52 pm

You should have both. Just because. Apples and Oranges. You can never have to many Moogs.

miamigroove · Post by **miamigroove** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:06 am

Oh no....say it aint so...

In my excited haste to fall head over heels in love with the Minitaur I just noticed...IT HAS NO PRESET MEMORY.

Even the Oberheim OB-1 had 8 presets. Id settle for 2-4 on the Minitaur, but alas it is not to be.

Guess ill just wait for the Minitaur app.

Kenneth · Post by **Kenneth** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:00 am

Personally, I'm thrilled that Moog have chosen to go back to the golden days of analog synthesis on this one. No memory, and a knob-per-function layout. How much more hands-on can you get? I'm all about tweaking knobs, and if I can grab a knob and get the sound I want without having to touch a button or flip through an LCD menu, I'm a happy camper. Way to go, Moog!!

Assar · Post by **Assar** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:11 am

Kenneth wrote:Personally, I'm thrilled that Moog have chosen to go back to the golden days of analog synthesis on this one. No memory, and a knob-per-function layout. How much more hands-on can you get?

Patch cabling and no midi? If you are into "golden days" ...

Portamental · Post by **Portamental** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:18 am

Kenneth wrote:Personally, I'm thrilled that Moog have chosen to go back to the golden days of analog synthesis on this one. No memory, and a knob-per-function layout. How much more hands-on can you get? I'm all about tweaking knobs, and if I can grab a knob and get the sound I want without having to touch a button or flip through an LCD menu, I'm a happy camper. Way to go, Moog!!

Very well put. I too am only interested in full knob jobs. I just got rid of my Mopho, couldn't bear the LCD display and rotary encoders, so the unit has been gathering dust.

There's nothing wrong with the T3 (on the contrary) but the Minitaur has more appeal to me, I can have all the controls close by. Some time ago, I ordered a Roland PK-5A, hoping to turn my Rogue into a Taurus II. Backorder for many months now, I learned today that it's gonna a PK-6 (expected first week of March). With good timing (and a bit of luck), there's gonna be a little Moog box on top the PK-6 when it finally makes it entrance into the door.

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