Does the phatty have the same grit/rawness of old moogs?

[nrvana8775]

I was watching a demo of the rogue vs the phatty, and I noticed the following:

Phatty had more low end bass, but the mids were muffled and not as pronounced.
The Rogue had more gritty and sizzling high/mids.

Is it possible to get that sort of tone with the phatty? I read that changing the pole number can help, but I want to know whether the basic tone of the phatty has that sizzle and grit of older moogs.

[SlimPhatFrank]

I already red about that, before I bought my Slim Phatty. So I went to an instrument store where I had a Little Phatty and a Voyager to compare in live. As far as I can tell, a Phatty's sound is more upfront than a Voyagers. Unfortunately at this point I didn't know about its capability to reduce the number of filter poles but yesterday I tried that on mine and to me the sound truly became more gritty. But finally I can't really compare it to another Moog model.

[avj]

Forum user Krinor a comparison of the LP and Rogue's waveforms here:

http://www.moogmusic.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9870

The Rogue seems to definitely have a bit more harshness on tap, but at the cost of being expensive on the used market compared to an LP as well as having the nightmare foam/tar to clean up inside. I really wanted a Rogue, but I opted for the LP for those reasons and more. It just seemed to be a better value and I have no regrets.

This isn't to say you can't get some grit from the LP, though. As you said, I've found using a one- or two-pole filter and some overdrive is a nice way to get there -- but of course it's not exactly the same.

[nathanscribe]

I have both a Rogue and an LP. They are indeed different - the LP is creamier, the Rogue always feels like it would rather be doing its own thing. The Rogue is good for sound effects and very quick adjustments, the LP has the great advantage of memories. The Rogue squeals a little more, has limited waveforms (and even more limited waveform modulation) but does have contoured sync and noise as an audio source. The Rogue's envelope is not great, not by a long shot. It does the job, but that's it.

I keep both because I think they complement each other well. I've experimented running the Rogue's audio into the LP to act as a 3rd osc and noise - works pretty well. Doing that I trigger the Rogue from the LP via a Kenton Pro Solo II MIDI-CV interface. I haven't calibrated the pitch bend/mod amounts on both units yet but it's still a lot of fun.