shaft9K wrote:i am so sad to not own any 'foogers besides CP-251 & VX-351 (which have jacks on the front, and are awesome)
i wish Moog would have released these in 5U MOOG FORMAT (duh) to begin with
hell - I play guitar and have almost no interest in MFs because:
-they're synth module designs, not guitar pedals in the first place
Basically every "guitar pedal" ever made is some variant of a filter (LP or BP), ring mod, phaser, delay or distortion. With digital you get reverb and pitch shifting too. The Freqbox and MuRFs are more synth oriented but at least they fit in with both guitar and synth and vocal and bird sounds and star gazing and...
-they're phucking gigantic - kiss pedalboard real-estate bye-bye if you add one; god forbid if you want two or more.
That's because they have analog circuits instead of microchips. To boot you also get an onboard preamp/buffer, a CV interface and large knobs and switches to play with.
- i''m NOT gonna get used to smacking the footswitch with my hand in order to use them as desktop/rack - s@#$% pedal design
Well put a socket on there and switch it remotely with a footswitch. This is more than possible. Push it with your ass or headstock or whatever if you don't want to mod.
(i regretably say this as i LOVE moog!!!) THE BIGGEST FAIL = 95% of the guitar players that buy these don't have a clue what you can do with this stuff by patching other modules together!!!
Hmm, 10 000 ring mods sold? I think they're doing something right. The effects quality is the cream of the crop. Even if you don't patch them you still get great sounds.
in effect, the 5U interface was changed to accommodate a majority that has no interest in the possibilities brought by said accommodation...
i mean, shoot, I've played guitar for 20+ years and still most dudes can't tell you the difference between overdrive, distortion and fuzz. How on earth are these cats going to figure out the carrier/modifier relationship in a ring modulator, in order to get anything beyond the usual ripping-sidebands and tremelo? (which any other analog RM pedal will already do fine for anyway) .
it could have been a full-on modular Moog revival, instead they're designed to be .....pedals
They were designed when there was little interest in modular synths. In my opinion this interest has grown in the last decade.
-"knobs on the floor" -
so I get to bend over every time i want to modify the sound?... unless I use an army of expression pedals (urggghhh...no),
Or buy an MP-201 and cut your expression pedal use by a quarter.
OR I can use a patchbay...but wait, I now I discover that I have to mod my MFs if i want to use them in a p-bay be cause the plugs behave retardedly if you leave them constantly patched....arrrgh.
Only a few of them, and the fix is not difficult.
Moogerfoogers are a happy medium between the synth and guitar worlds. I think you are in the minority: give a guitarist a choice between a pedal and a 5U module and which would he choose? "Does this run on 9V?" "WHAT? I need to buy a case for this?" "I don't think this is going to survive being kicked around and thrown in my van."
MFs are for people who need to push the envelope soundwise. I had mostly Boss pedals before I went Moog. Now they're pretty much all I use, well that's a bit of an understatement.
It's your choice: you don't have to buy anything. I agree with you that the format is bulky, which is why I am modding my setup (Moogertron). Who knows, maybe one day I could convert them for a living? I think the market who would be into that would be quite small though. Most are happy with how the MFs are, otherwise Moog wouldn't sell so many.
