tap tempo delay

[beatkitchen]

Is Moog any closer to developing a way to get the mf-104z to have tap tempo? Perhaps the 201 controller can do this someday...

[EMwhite]

Is Moog any closer to developing a way to get the mf-104z to have tap tempo? Perhaps the 201 controller can do this someday...

Diamond was the first analog pedal company to do this and when the first Memory Lane came out, people went nuts over it.

If you look around, you still don't see much in the way of pure Analog pedals with tap because it's apparently difficult to do. Once done, however, it's easy enough to put multipliers on clocks to do dotted eights, triplets, etc. though each takes some bit of circuitry.

Even the Maxon AD-999 Pro with clever switches to add subdivisions cannot do tap. I owned a Seymour Duncan Deja Vu for about 15 minutes, seeking all of the digital trickery with an Analog mode but I found it cheaply made and failing (led intermittent, analog mode didn't work correctly) so I quickly returned it.

I had a line on an original 104 but a fellow Mooger talked me out of it saying it was noisey beyond charming.

So now, I have a Diamond ML 2 on order with a custom mod for remote Tap (ie. mount the pedal in my rack then run a standard footswitch for tapping). It's really a great unit but obviously not a Moog.

I think what's holding Moog up on developing such an animal is the legacy design of a product designed several years ago that is not easily adaptable to Tap. Board layout, controls (where to put at least two new switches) and risk of getting this done on a customers pedal all considerations.

If they designed the next 104 from the ground up with this feature, I think they'd get a long line of takers but much like the "z", pricing would be the issue.

I won't say I settled but I picked up a 'digital' T-Rex replica which features very high quality DACs that capture and reproduce sound without making them sound sterile; and with near 1.5ms, it serves other styles of playing and acompanyment. For everything else (in loop effects, expression pedal hookup, etc) the ML2.

The new EHX Deluxe Memory Boy will likely have alot of features and Analog roots, but it's less boutiquey and more of the $200 pedal that git-ar'ists go through every 2-3 months.

-Mike W. from NJ

[latigid on]

This has been discussed many, many times before, but:

Analog Clock {on 104} =
No tap tempo (or prohibitively difficult)

Digital Clock =
Tap tempo easy (e.g. MuRF)

The closest you'll get might involve the MP201, where it can convert taps to a scaled DC voltage. But this will vary with ambient temperature etc., meaning when you tap at home it may be different to when you tap on stage.

[_DemonDan_]

I won't say I settled but I picked up a 'digital' T-Rex replica which features very
high quality DACs that capture and reproduce sound without making them sound
sterile; and with near 1.5ms, it serves other styles of playing and acompanyment.

"Nearly 1.5 milliseconds" of delay time doesn't seem like very much in this day and age

[EMwhite]

I won't say I settled but I picked up a 'digital' T-Rex replica which features very
high quality DACs that capture and reproduce sound without making them sound
sterile; and with near 1.5ms, it serves other styles of playing and acompanyment.

"Nearly 1.5 milliseconds" of delay time doesn't seem like very much in this day and age

Whoops! It's the mother of all slapbacks. The slapback to end all slapbacks... : )

-Mike W. from NJ

[EricK]

I believe that I read somewhere also that if, lets say, a normalized voltage was to be applied to a tap tempo, that all 104's would respond differently.

Eric

[t.shamone]

I have an old rack d-delay that doesn't sound so digital because of it's 12-bit converters. I know d-delay can't compare to analog but try running a delay into the MF-101,no res. As the envelope closes, the delays get darker sounding until they fade, like real life. I've found this an acceptable solution in live situations when I have to tap for tempo. In fact, it sounds damn good in the studio too.

[_DemonDan_]

Try running a delay into the MF-101, no res. As the envelope closes, the delays get darker sounding until they fade, like real life.

What a clever idea. I will definitely use this.

Thanks!

[EricK]

Just a tiny bit off topic...

I finally got the opportunity to try out a Boss re20 and I have to say that I thought it was pretty nice sounding. I still prefer my 104z though Im sure if I spent more time with the Boss I would appreciate it more.



Something about playing an instrument in a store just sucks.

[toryjames]

I didn't see this before, but just posted something relating to this topic:

http://www.moogmusic.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8810