shipping on Moog shirts and stuff?

[Subtronik]

Sure I was crass.

The thing that set me off was this:

You should try being in the UK if you want to be truly ripped off.

Suggesting that Moog is intentionally ripping people off is really, really wrong, no matter what the intention is. How can you get ripped off if you have a choice to buy in the first place? In not like you're forced into it. Either they're a good company with good people or they're not.

I take a lot of offense to that statement considering Moog has bent over backwards to fix any and all problems for me immediately, no matter how insignificant. And I am sure they have a good reason for charging higher shipping rates for their flair.

[mayidunk]

Deleted because it really did not add to the discussion.

[c7sus]

I agree with Subtronik, even though his antics here in this thread are rather crass. I had no problem paying for the shipping on my Moog hat. You know why? The total cost of the hat after shipping was $31.09. It's the most comfortable hat I have ever worn...except for my suede fedora, which cost $50. I can easily spend $30 on a shirt...even my T's cost $15-$25 each. (I buy specialty video game T-shirts mostly...they are expensive). Does the shipping seem outrageous? Yes. But if you can justify spending $300 or so on a phaser, you can justify paying $35-$40 for a T-shirt...or am I missing something?

No, I can't justify $35-40 for a single t-shirt. I guess I must be missing something.

Especially when there is a carrier that will deliver the same package for 1/3 of what UPS wants for their service.

I can justify spending $300 on a phaser that will last the rest of my lifetime. There is lasting value in that expenditure. The same cannot be said about UPS rates. I cannot justify throwing away money needlessly paying 2nd or 3rd day rates for ground shipping.

[Analog!]

I would have to agree on the shipping costs seeming high, but if I really really want an item, $15 is not really going to make or break me.

[Subtronik]

I would have to agree on the shipping costs seeming high, but if I really really want an item, $15 is not really going to make or break me.

Exactly.

I only bought my hoody when I knew I could afford it.

[MarbledMoog]

I buy one MF'er a year, I didn't buy them all at once. Get out of my thread Subtronik, I don't care that you're a millionaire. $30 for a shirt is one thing, but when a $23 dollar shirt has $15 dollars shipping, that's where I draw the line. Its obscene. There is NO reason why it should cost that much, none. I'll be making a call on Monday to see what one of the higher-ups has to say about this.

[mayidunk]

Sidewind is correct (See his comments posted right after Subtronik's post, below). Therefore I've deleted this post, and my earlier post, because they are not about the original topic, and because it isn't my place to correct others.

Thanks for the reminder, Sidewind...

[Subtronik]

I think that anyone suggesting that Moog is ripping people off looks bad. That's my issue. But it is what it is, and I stand by my point. Have a good day.

Edited due to mayidunk editing out his trolling above me

[Sidewind]

I am often amazed at some of the posts here. Why do some people feel that they need to insult, belittle and "post-monger" in order try to convince people that they are right? Aren't we all pretty much intelligent, mature people here?

Lately, this board is becoming much like the toilet that most other boards are on the internet. It is bad enough that we have people who feel they need to attack people in posts back and forth within the same hour. Once it stops becoming giving your opinion to constantly attacking people just to try and defend your opinion, IMHO, it is way too much. Get a bleeping life. That is what PM is for. Argue all you want with someone in PM. Public posting is a waste of time for an argument or personal attacks.

Then, we need to post those bleeping gay pictures that I see every 14 yr old posting on other forums. Do you think that makes you look good? Even if you are right, you look like an ass with such a childish post. We are all grown enough to read text and don't need those stupid little photoshopped pictures.

I, like most here, look forward to coming here to talk with other mature people about Moog things & music. While it is everyone's right to be an ass like that, you just drive people like us away. This will equate to much less interaction, ideas, sharing, etc. and further turning this place into another toilet. Don't believe me? Use the search and look back at the posting history. There are many valuable people who have left this place over bullshit like this.

Try to also remember that just because you have the right to post something, doesn't always mean that you should. I have the right to fight with my neighbor and call him as asshole if I think he is wrong. But that does not make it very easy to have to live next door to him for the next 10 or 20 years. Sometimes we all need to think before we act.

Oh, and my opinion on this - I do think that the shipping rates on Moog flair are way too high. That is why I never order any of it from them. And this comes from someone who is very fortunate to be able to afford a private, professional recording studio filled with quite a bit of Moog gear. Having the money or not, is not the issue. The shipping rates themselves are. And it is true that the only way that this can possibly change, is if we bring it up to Moog.

Michael...

[mayidunk]

My apologies to the forum for "post-mongering," as Sidewind pointed out.

Thanks, Sidewind...

[Subtronik]

this board is becoming much like the toilet that most other boards are on the internet.

That's a pretty bold statement there buddy. You have more evidence than this thread? Maybe you were just being flippant

post those bleeping gay pictures

What's with the 'gay' comment man? That's a pretty hateful and childish insult to just casually throw around here.

[Sidewind]

Bold statement, maybe, but remember, it is just my opinion. I happen to believe it to also be true. I never stated that I want or need others to believe it as you seem to need.

If you were truly insulted by my use of the word 'gay' and thought that the word was directed toward you rather than the pictures themselves, then I would apologize. Somehow, I doubt that is the case. Anyone who is actually intelligent and grown up about the topic would be able to see that my use of the word 'gay' in that sentence is hardly a hateful use. It would be like saying that one's bicycle looks gay. Not every use of the word means hate.

But unfortunately, from your post, I can see that my assessment is true. You want nothing more than to argue your point and attack others while offering little to nothing on the topic of the real issue regarding shipping costs for Moog flair. That is all I have to say on the topic.

[Subtronik]

Pretty weak dodge there.

Anytime the word 'gay' is used in a negative sense it's hate speech, plain and simple. It would be no different than if you had said "those bleeping faggot pictures". The case here is you just weren't thinking before you acted.

And where's your evidence that this place is becoming a toilet? Not a single link, just more flippantly thrown out accusations and insults.

You talk big but have nothing to back it up. And if I were you, I'd never call anything 'gay' around here again.

[Atomicunderware]

It would be great if someone from Moog addressed this issue, and put it to rest once and for all. The international rates are a lot more than for similar items from other companies, that can't be disputed. It seems that the domestic prices for US shipping are high too, so a comment from the company would be nice.

[moogmusic]

As of January 14, 2010: USPS is now an option for shipping method on Moog wearable merchandise. We have been working toward making this option available for some time, but had to make arrangements with USPS to pick up from our factory and also had to ensure that we could track the packages. Originally the post office did not offer tracking of packages, so we did not use them because there was no proof of delivery. Now that USPS does offer tracking, we will allow the USPS to deliver merchandise like T-shirts. We made this change for international wearable orders some time ago in order to reduce the exorbitant overseas shipping rates from UPS. However, USPS still does not offer tracking on overseas packages, so choose that option at your own risk (we haven't received any complaints so far). Moog will still require signatures for any gear that is shipped which means gear will still be exclusively shipped by UPS or FedEX. Also: I will announce here first that the Preview Sale on 2010 merch is almost entirely sold out. In a matter of days it will disappear from the website and the official Mid-Winter 2010 Moog Merchandise will be released. We have made some modifications and continue to upgrade fabrics and designs, so that we can deliver wearables our customers--you lot--will love.Thank you for supporting Moog! Sincerely, Your Friends at Moog Music.