what should moog release next?

EricK · Post by **EricK** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:49 pm

I think if they combined the best of the Memorymoog and the Polymoog with the chassis of the poly, then Id certianly have to have one, for it would be a Moog Constellation.

I don't know how many times I have said that, but Ill keep saying it because they are already 2/3rds the way there.

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Eric

CTRLSHFT · Post by **CTRLSHFT** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:24 pm

Voltor07 wrote:How in the world are they going to build a polysynth for less than 2500? I see such an animal going in excess of $6000. There are numerous threads explaining the reasons for such an "outrageous" price, so I won't go into that here.

If they make a knob-reduced LP-like version I bet they could hit around 8 voices for 2500. Guess we'll see....

Voltor07 · Post by **Voltor07** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:30 pm

CTRLSHFT wrote:
Voltor07 wrote:How in the world are they going to build a polysynth for less than 2500? I see such an animal going in excess of $6000. There are numerous threads explaining the reasons for such an "outrageous" price, so I won't go into that here.
If they make a knob-reduced LP-like version I bet they could hit around 8 voices for 2500. Guess we'll see....

8 voices...so figuring on LP architecture, 16 oscs, 8 filters, 16 envelope generators, and 8 VCA's...for $2500.

moremagic · Post by **moremagic** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:34 pm

Voltor07 wrote:8 voices...so figuring on LP architecture, 16 oscs, 8 filters, 16 envelope generators, and 8 VCA's...for $2500.

Polysynths tend to use voice cards so they'd probably print those in China along with the LP boards. 2500 is certainly a little low for a Moog, though. I'd imagine it wouldnt end up being much more than the Voyager or the guitar. Maybe even with a spruced up signature introductory model to catch headlines, then something around 4k later?

MC · Post by MC » Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:30 pm

8 voices...so figuring on LP architecture, 16 oscs, 8 filters, 16 envelope generators, and 8 VCA's...for $2500

Way off... any mod matrix requires a VCA at each destination.

$2500 for an LP architecture polyphonic? Unless you had access to the custom IC fab labs that Alesis has... not possible.

Look at the Studio Electronics Omega-8 - lists for $4699 which is not much more than a polyphonic LP.

CTRLSHFT · Post by **CTRLSHFT** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:34 am

MC wrote:
8 voices...so figuring on LP architecture, 16 oscs, 8 filters, 16 envelope generators, and 8 VCA's...for $2500
Look at the Studio Electronics Omega-8 - lists for $4699 which is not much more than a polyphonic LP.

Omega8 -> 32 pots, 1 rotary encoder.
Moog LP -> 6 pots, 1 rotary encoder.

Omega8 -> 3 envs
Moog LP -> 2 envs

Omega8 -> 3 LFOs
Moog LP -> 1 LFO

Omega8 -> Two seperate voltage controlled discrete analog filters (24db moog and 12db sem circuits)
Moog LP -> One Variable-pole Moog LPF

They are a lot different. I left out the stereo outs per voice (ie 16 outs), noise gen, sub osc, and cross mod stuff too.

I'm think that if they streamline the manufacturing process and find a (reasonable) way to cut costs on the boards, they could make this work for 2500 or less, AND find a way to add a feature not found on the LP into the poly.

Then again I'm also still hoping they'll make cp-style moogerfoogers someday.

Subtronik · Post by **Subtronik** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:44 am

I'd pay up to $4000 for a modern Moog Polysynth.

DeFrag · Post by **DeFrag** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:55 am

Subtronik wrote:I'd pay up to $4000 for a modern Moog Polysynth.

+1

superd2112 · Post by **superd2112** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:02 am

Subtronik wrote:I'd pay up to $4000 for a modern Moog Polysynth.

So would I, but I think for Moog to make a profit on this & sell reasonable numbers of them, it would have to be a stripped-down no frills machine as I suggested, produced & sold in numbers great enough to justify it's creation. I realize Alesis pulled off the Andromeda with their massive resources and Chinese-made PC boards, but the Dave Smith Profit comes from a company much more closely related to Moog in terms of size and quality, and they managed to build a great 8-voice analog synth for well under $3k.

CTRLSHFT · Post by **CTRLSHFT** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:33 am

just for fun, a quick 'shop for point of reference on what I would imagine to some extent the new poly might look like, given our expectations for it at current:

Obviously they wouldn't use the same LP design, but I imagine it wouldn't be terribly different, the Taurus IIIs are like the LP's cousins or something.

The real fun is envisioning how they might alter the architecture to give it a little edge over any of their other products... Moog has uncannily done this thus far, with very little overlap between the synths/fx.

superd2112 · Post by **superd2112** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:40 am

CTRLSHFT wrote:just for fun, a quick 'shop for point of reference on what I would imagine to some extent the new poly might look like, given our expectations for it at current:

Obviously they wouldn't use the same LP design, but I imagine it wouldn't be terribly different, the Taurus IIIs are like the LP's cousins or something.

The real fun is envisioning how they might alter the architecture to give it a little edge over any of their other products... Moog has uncannily done this thus far, with very little overlap between the synths/fx.

A++!! Now thats what I'm friggin talkin about! Built it, and they will come. The follow-up $6k limited edition monster synth could come later, but this would be the "bread & butter" poly synth for a great many of us.

Subtronik · Post by **Subtronik** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:44 am

CTRLSHFT wrote:

Can you add another module to the logo section please so I can drool a little more?

EricK · Post by **EricK** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:44 am

Photoshop lets you do that?
Thats very very interesting.

CTRLSHFT · Post by **CTRLSHFT** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:15 am

Subtronik wrote: Can you add another module to the logo section please so I can drool a little more?

lol i was totally thinking that too, it needs something else in order to really feel complete there.

Maybe Moog could make an expanded modulation section, or just maybe a whole other LFO?

Individual lfos for PWM per osc...? yummy.

Voltor07 · Post by **Voltor07** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:36 am

Beautiful mock up...I'd like to make one minor change though.

Make the back a square, and make it deep enough to hold either a Moog LP or Voyager. Then I would DEFINITELY buy it for 4-6 grand!