I know this issue has already been beaten to death, but I really keep coming back to it. A Moogerfooger VCO would be ideal. For the modular heads among us, its value is obvious. All you need is a keyboard or a sequencer with CV and Gate outputs and you have yourself the beginnings of a Moog Modular or a Voyager without going broke. For the guitar heads among us it could have a pitch/CV converter and be the bad-ass second cousin of the feeble and ridiculous Digitech x-series synth wah. I have often heard people on this forum ask how to make their guitars sound like synths. Well, this would be it. Two birds with one stone, would sell well and appeal to many.
For the knobs I propose 1) Wave-shape selection 2) Mix 3) Mini-middle knob for input level like it is now on all the other machines 4) Lag
5) Envelope amount. The internal Envelope following required for volume control of the pitch/CV converter could also simply be built-in and does not need external controls.
For the switches: Left: MODE switch VCO or SYNTH. Right: UP or DOWN for the Lag knob.
On the back we have: Audio IN, CV IN, Gate IN, Mix IN, Audio OUT, CV OUT (to connect to other MF-106s for multiple oscillators per voice), maybe Envelope OUT.
What do you think? Do you think it would sell? And don't give me that "Buy the Voyager if you want oscillators" because I can't because I don't have 3 grand to spare.
MOOGERFOOGER VCO AND/OR SYNTH-WAH FOR MF-106?
MOOGERFOOGER VCO AND/OR SYNTH-WAH FOR MF-106?
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Naaah...It wouldn't sell.
A HUGE FLOP for Moogmusic. Too confusing for the guitar idiots out there that mostly use the MF series. Try and explain what the CP-251 is to a non CV/modular person. "Can I run my guitar in into the Sample and Hold to make a loop?" That sort to nonsense...
Maybe someday. Like MF-114 or something.
PS you can find used Voyagers for like under $1600 now.
A HUGE FLOP for Moogmusic. Too confusing for the guitar idiots out there that mostly use the MF series. Try and explain what the CP-251 is to a non CV/modular person. "Can I run my guitar in into the Sample and Hold to make a loop?" That sort to nonsense...
Maybe someday. Like MF-114 or something.
PS you can find used Voyagers for like under $1600 now.
MODULAR ISSUES
OK well, to be honest, I don't even really want a Voyager. I mean, I wouldn't turn Bob away if he offered me one, but I want a true modular. I'm dreaming of a www.synthesizers.com and MOTM ( www.synthtech.com ) hybrid. So if I had $1600 that's where it would go. Let alone $3000.
But in the meantime... I still want a VCO. And I think that if it was also marketed as a "Synth-wah" (which I have heard people ask for on this forum) then it wouldn't put off the non-modularly inclined.
But in the meantime... I still want a VCO. And I think that if it was also marketed as a "Synth-wah" (which I have heard people ask for on this forum) then it wouldn't put off the non-modularly inclined.
Moogerfooger pedals have to have broad appeal to sell well.
The filter, ringmod, phaser, analog delay, and murf are all pedals that can appeal to guitarists, bassists, drummers, keyboardists, and audio professionals.
A VCO pedal would appeal only to the modular synth market of keyboardists, which is a really really narrow market and there are a lot of modular makers offering VCOs already. Moog is a small company that needs products with broad appeal.
If Moog Music were to be serious about a VCO pedal then they would have to compliment it with EG pedals, VCA pedals, all the modular synth components that isn't already in the current line. Then they would be in the modular market.
And if they did that then people would start complaining about the prices like they did modusonics (formerly moogce.com) who make genuine moog modular systems.
I am an analog synth enthusiast and would not be excited over moogerfooger synth vco-vcf-vca-eg modules, but a Taurus pedal (or module) reissue would make my day.
The filter, ringmod, phaser, analog delay, and murf are all pedals that can appeal to guitarists, bassists, drummers, keyboardists, and audio professionals.
A VCO pedal would appeal only to the modular synth market of keyboardists, which is a really really narrow market and there are a lot of modular makers offering VCOs already. Moog is a small company that needs products with broad appeal.
If Moog Music were to be serious about a VCO pedal then they would have to compliment it with EG pedals, VCA pedals, all the modular synth components that isn't already in the current line. Then they would be in the modular market.
And if they did that then people would start complaining about the prices like they did modusonics (formerly moogce.com) who make genuine moog modular systems.
I am an analog synth enthusiast and would not be excited over moogerfooger synth vco-vcf-vca-eg modules, but a Taurus pedal (or module) reissue would make my day.
MC wrote:Moogerfooger pedals have to have broad appeal to sell well.
A VCO pedal would appeal only to the modular synth market of keyboardists, which is a really really narrow market and there are a lot of modular makers offering VCOs already. Moog is a small company that needs products with broad appeal.
THUS WHY I AM TALKING ABOUT MARKETING AS A SYNTH-WAH!!!!!!!
Did anyone actually read my previous two posts in this thread? Do you just not know what a synth-wah pedal is?
Let me first say that I have no interest in a line of Moogerfooger modules like straight VCAs or EGs either (by the way, the MF-101 IS a VCF). Moogerfoogers are great but are no substitute for genuine modulars. HOWEVER, the idea I am hyping, which I am certainly not the first to get behind, nor are you the first to disagree with, is aimed specifically at TWO markets. The guitar market and the modular market.
VCO mode - obvious enough for you? CV inputs, blah blah...
SYNTH-WAH mode - apparently not obvious (or maybe you were being sarcastic and I just missed it?) It creates a "synth" tone at the same pitch as your input tone and has an envelope follower and LPF which "wah" the tone same as the MF-101. This actually is the biggest sticking point for me about this particular product idea. It would seem to need it's own LPF which would be redundant, or it would need the 101 which would make it dependant. Both negative selling points. Maybe it would work fine if the envelope follower simply controlled an internal VCA so it would not be a synth-wah exactly, just a synth-tone-generator that would sound even cooler with a 101.
FYI, here is a good place to start, these are cheap and ubiquitous:
http://www.digitech.com/products/synthwah.htm
I personally think this product is pretty cheesy, but I'm sure that Moog could make a great one. I don't know about designing electronics so I have no idea if a pitch/cv converter is cost-effective or not, though I understand that's what would be needed.
VCO mode - obvious enough for you? CV inputs, blah blah...
SYNTH-WAH mode - apparently not obvious (or maybe you were being sarcastic and I just missed it?) It creates a "synth" tone at the same pitch as your input tone and has an envelope follower and LPF which "wah" the tone same as the MF-101. This actually is the biggest sticking point for me about this particular product idea. It would seem to need it's own LPF which would be redundant, or it would need the 101 which would make it dependant. Both negative selling points. Maybe it would work fine if the envelope follower simply controlled an internal VCA so it would not be a synth-wah exactly, just a synth-tone-generator that would sound even cooler with a 101.
FYI, here is a good place to start, these are cheap and ubiquitous:
http://www.digitech.com/products/synthwah.htm
I personally think this product is pretty cheesy, but I'm sure that Moog could make a great one. I don't know about designing electronics so I have no idea if a pitch/cv converter is cost-effective or not, though I understand that's what would be needed.