new tune

strata189 · Post by **strata189** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:00 pm

I've added a new tune to my site. It's the first one, and it's in the "rough mix" stage.

Click on my signature.

Comments and feedback welcome!

Thanks,

Randall

ColorForm2113 · Post by **ColorForm2113** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:29 pm

good stuff man. i really like the distortion on the guitar. ballsy growl but still articulate, like a biker that attends harvard

strata189 · Post by **strata189** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:28 pm

Thanks ColorForm2113
Great visual!

Randall

GregAE · Post by **GregAE** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:20 am

strata189 wrote:I've added a new tune to my site. It's the first one, and it's in the "rough mix" stage. Click on my signature.

Comments and feedback welcome!

Thanks,

Randall

Hi Randall,

Nice tune - I like your guitar work.

Since this is a MoogerFooger forum, I'd be interested to know which 'Foogers were used in this piece and to what effect? Also, tell us about the bass and drums - is it all you?

BTW - Your pic on MySpace shows a Sherman Fillter Bank II and Red Square synth (I think) in the background. What other gear do you use?

strata189 · Post by **strata189** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:47 pm

Hi GregAE,
Thanks for your kind words about my playing and your interest in my work. The drums and bass were played by 2 excellent musicians I met after moving to NC. I hope to work with both of them more in the future.
I currently own an MF 101,104, 105B, 107 and a CP251. I also have a Sherman FB2. I run all these in the effects loop of my Marshall DSL50. I use an ART preamp to boost the signal to these, to make the signal closer to line level. Going back into the amp I use an attenuator on the CP 251 to reduce it so it doesn't hit the amp too hard.
Therefore i'm always using a Moog product!
On this particulr cut, I was using the lfo on the CP 251 to modulate the AM on the Sherman. Very slowly. Also (for me

) a touch of delay.
Future tracks will feature the 107 and the 105B VERY prominently!
Sorry for being so long-winded.

Randall

EricK · Post by **EricK** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:29 am

I like how this particular piece is refined. I know some guys who just run standard patterns and failing to realize that less is more or insist on showing their technical prowess. I like the subtle use of effects and how you mix melody with sci-fi in a way that really seems to utilize the guitar in a more vocal way. I caught the Ode to Hendrix too. I also like the tasteful use of the tremelo arm.
Nice and positive vibe, groovin and nice to drive to or better yet...stride to!

Eric

ColorForm2113 · Post by **ColorForm2113** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:52 am

EricK wrote: Nice and positive vibe, groovin and nice to drive to or better yet...stride to!

Eric

i was thinking the same thing, great driving music

strata189 · Post by **strata189** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:31 am

Thanks EricK and Colorform2113,

Nice to get that kind of feedback and appreciation!
Jimi is still the man.

Think I'll drive to work! lol

Randall

matt the fiddler · Post by **matt the fiddler** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:15 pm

Randall,

I have to say, I really enjoyed Stride. Your control over tone and the feel of the guitar is really fun to listen to! Very nice job on shaping the lines too... lots of good contrast. It is rare for me to find music I like that much on myspace. Simple, yet very deeply thought through- and very on edge.

I really like the tone sweeps that came from the FilterBank in the loop. That tone has such a nice level of Grit in it the the FB really compliments and brings out in it's sweeps! makes me want to take a Marshall valve head out for a spin.. I just haven't been able to play one of the high end heads with my current Electric to see how it sounds. (My electric violin has 12 dual element peizos built in it's 6 strings, so they can sound harsh and thin.) Sadly no one or no store around me have it!

How did you mic your Marshall (it looks like a 57 on the pic.)? and why the two heads?

Also, how much of your tone in Budda and Stride would you atribute to the amp, and how much is from the pedals and other effects? .. Or is it a land of tone that can't come from each separatly?

Oh, and you are far from long winded. Keep us in the loop!

strata189 · Post by **strata189** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:16 pm

Thanks matt,
I very much appreciate your comments!
I'll see if I can answer some of your questions.
I'm only using the top head - JCM2000 DSL50 on the new recordings, because it's the only amp I own with an effects loop, and I love its sound.
It provides my basic tone - strong, a little dark and right on the edge of breakup. The FB can add to the overall gain as well.
The speaker cab has a part to play in the sound, too. It's a slightly oversized cab made by Sean Fokes @ Mad Sound. I only use 2 of the speakers ( Eminence Swamp Thangs) the other 2 speakers act as passive radiators. The SWs hold together extremely well on the low end - important to me as i tune A full step low.
The mic is a Sennheiser 421 and I've used it for years, a very usefull mic.
Lastly, I'm using a 100watt Weber MASS attenuator for the amp head.
This is all the result of years of tinkering and tweaking.
I must be insane.

If you can get hold of a good tube amp with an fx loop, I think you'd love it!

Randall

ColorForm2113 · Post by **ColorForm2113** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:38 am

strata189 wrote:the other 2 speakers act as passive radiators.

ive never heard of this before, what does this do?

matt the fiddler · Post by **matt the fiddler** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:08 am

Wow! THanks for all the info. It is neat to see a not so typical setup ... Good complex tone leave tons of questions though....

I love the sennheiser.. Great mic. My only complaint about that mic is it's uncanny ability to pick up ANY rf nose that may wander near it...

How much are you draining with the Mass dump? Gosh, one of those would auctually give Hotrods Descent master volume control.

I am also Really inetested in your thinking of the Oversized cab (wattage or Physical oversized)

In terms of Amps I am looking at.. the best sounding tube I have played on my setup is the Peavey Delta Blues.. Though I do like that Marshal growl a lot. I also need good low end, as my main e-violin goes nearly an octave below standard guitar.

matt the fiddler · Post by **matt the fiddler** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:11 am

interesting....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_radiator_(speaker)

"In technical support circles, it has long been known that some owners of speaker cabinets featuring a passive radiator have taken the cabinet apart, and have come to the conclusion that someone (the manufacturer or salesperson) has taken advantage of them, by leaving out much of one of the drivers. They misconstrue the technology, and sometimes think the manufacturer put a fake speaker in the cabinet (since there is no magnet or wire) just to give the appearance of a larger, more powerful speaker."

ColorForm2113 · Post by **ColorForm2113** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:34 pm

matt the fiddler wrote:interesting....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_radiator_(speaker)

"In technical support circles, it has long been known that some owners of speaker cabinets featuring a passive radiator have taken the cabinet apart, and have come to the conclusion that someone (the manufacturer or salesperson) has taken advantage of them, by leaving out much of one of the drivers. They misconstrue the technology, and sometimes think the manufacturer put a fake speaker in the cabinet (since there is no magnet or wire) just to give the appearance of a larger, more powerful speaker."

weird

strata189 · Post by **strata189** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:19 pm

matt,
By oversized, I mean a 4X12 measuring 11.5" x 29.5" x 39"
It was originally designed to be a detuned 2X12. A detuned 2X12 would have 2 speakers and 2 empty speaker sized holes. Detuned cabs have a very large sound emphasizing the low end, since they give voice to the low end frequencies coming off the back of a speaker cone. I wanted a more controlled and a tighter sound. So, I added 2more speakers, but only used 2 out of the 4. It IS a little weird.

Randall

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