Does anyone use the Cp-251?

[alexzandersmith]

I can not find any info or patches on the CP?

[Bryan T]

I can not find any info or patches on the CP?

I have a CP-251 and use it with my Foogers (delay, low pass, ring mod). For whatever reason, folks on this forum aren't too into sharing patches. What are you using the CP-251 with? The manuals for the different pedals are a pretty good place to start getting ideas, but your imagination is where the best ones will come from.

Bryan

[latigid on]

I can not find any info or patches on the CP?

Download the manual from http://moogmusic.com. It has detailed examples for every section.

For whatever reason, folks on this forum aren't too into sharing patches

Try moogspace. There are several patches and articles by our good friend GregAE. I think it's still free; you can get a free "trial". Hmmm, I see they've removed the link from the homepage. http://moogmusic.com/members if you want to check it out.

Maybe moogspace is on the back-burner...

[analoghaze]

For whatever reason, folks on this forum aren't too into sharing patches.

I think the reason for that could be each of our rigs is so unique.
It would help if you told us what you plan on using the CP with, or else we're shooting into the dark.

The S+H mixed with a dot com Q119 sequencer sounds unereal when controlling the Frequency on the FreqBox 107. (but this info is somewhat useless unless you own the equipment mentioned.)

[narrowcaster]

I was going to say something similar. The problem with sharing patches for Moogerfoogers is that often patches that sound amazing with one kind of input will sound lousy with another. Also, sometimes very tiny knob tweaks can make a large difference. So what I've found more useful is when people share tips about theory, and then I can adapt those to my own situation. With that in mind, here are two of the surprising things I discovered about my CP-251:

>> You can use the Offset control on the mixer to send a steady negative or positive voltage. This will let you slow down or speed up LFOs far beyond the limits of their speed knobs. For example, take the positive mixer output and patch it to the speed CV in on the LFO. Then put the LFO knob on its minimum speed, and also crank the mixer offset negative. The LFO can be made extremely slow this way.

>> If you patch the square wave LFO output into the LFO speed CV in, then you will get a ramp wave from the triangle LFO output.

[dzy88p]

I'd be more likely to share patches if I had that modeler that would enable me to do it graphically rather than typing everything in.

Is that thing available yet?

Hint hint

[GregAE]

You can use the Offset control on the mixer to send a steady negative or positive voltage. This will let you slow down or speed up LFOs far beyond the limits of their speed knobs. For example, take the positive mixer output and patch it to the speed CV in on the LFO. Then put the LFO knob on its minimum speed, and also crank the mixer offset negative. The LFO can be made extremely slow this way.

If you patch the square wave LFO output into the LFO speed CV in, then you will get a ramp wave from the triangle LFO output.

Those are great tips, Narrowcaster! Now let's combine them to make it even better:



Route the LFO square wave output into the Mixer (channel 2) as shown. This will allow you to control the amount of the square wave that will affect the LFO waveshape and add OFFSET for speed control at the same time. To complete the patch, route the Mixer+ Out to the LFO PEDAL IN, then route the LFO Triangle to an attenuator for additional CV level control.

In this configuration, adjusting the Mixer 2 input level will make the LFO waveshape morph from a triangle (when Mixer level 2 is '0') to a downward ramp wave (when the Mixer 2 level is '10').

The Mixer OFFSET control will still adjust the LFO speed over an extremely wide range as you discovered, but now you have additional control over the wave, too. Cool, eh?

[EricK]

THis is a little off topic, but I just remember all of the pictures that I took of the MicroMoog's front panel with a note on which song and which track.

I saw some stuff on ebay and a company had these "Moog Overlays" to help us remember the patches. These plastic clear sheets that they incinuated that came with the original packaging.

Does anyone have any of these?


I can't wait to get my CP so that I can figure out what all it does.



I will add though that probably a lot of people aren't too hip on sharing their patches because they are complicated!

Imagine having this huge modular patch when theres no way that one can have any really good sound charts for them, and you have 4 Foogers, the RME with both the 351 and the 352 and the cp-251, and with the addition of this new Mp-201 its going to get extremely difficult to really share patches without a software program that will simplify it.



WHen i had the voyager, before i had to let it go I had to write out the value for all of the presets that I had created from scratch, and I had like 7 or 8 of them, and no way to dump them to a computer, so just the voyager can be a pain in the butt.


Eric

[ColorForm2113]

>> If you patch the square wave LFO output into the LFO speed CV in, then you will get a ramp wave from the triangle LFO output.

oh wow thats brilliant... im trying to sell my bass first before i buy the CP (anyone interested PM me, lol), but i think i may have to pull the trigger on this one sooner. i havent been so anxious to get a piece of gear like this in a while

[narrowcaster]

Thanks Greg -- I hadn't thought of that and it works great.

The other thing that was a pleasant surprise for me was the flexibility of the Sample and Hold. I used to think of those as just a source of robot/calculator noises, but if you play around with different sources and triggers you can get a really wide range of effects. Be sure to try the "footsteps" patch from the manual (page 19 in my copy). Also, if you have another LFO (like in the Ring Mod), try patching it into the S/H input, and then setting the CP-251 LFO (which will be the trigger) just *slightly* faster. If you dial it in just right, you can get nice semi-random strings of values that sound a little like minimalist melodies. The trick is to sample the LFO wave quickly enough that you can hear the wave shape, but slowly enough that the exact patterns are always changing (so that it sounds like random values within the wave, rather than just a choppy wave). It can take some time to find the sweet spot...

[Modularfan]

You can use the Offset control on the mixer to send a steady negative or positive voltage. This will let you slow down or speed up LFOs far beyond the limits of their speed knobs. For example, take the positive mixer output and patch it to the speed CV in on the LFO. Then put the LFO knob on its minimum speed, and also crank the mixer offset negative. The LFO can be made extremely slow this way.

If you patch the square wave LFO output into the LFO speed CV in, then you will get a ramp wave from the triangle LFO output.

Those are great tips, Narrowcaster! Now let's combine them to make it even better:



Route the LFO square wave output into the Mixer (channel 2) as shown. This will allow you to control the amount of the square wave that will affect the LFO waveshape and add OFFSET for speed control at the same time. To complete the patch, route the Mixer+ Out to the LFO PEDAL IN, then route the LFO Triangle to an attenuator for additional CV level control.

In this configuration, adjusting the Mixer 2 input level will make the LFO waveshape morph from a triangle (when Mixer level 2 is '0') to a downward ramp wave (when the Mixer 2 level is '10').

The Mixer OFFSET control will still adjust the LFO speed over an extremely wide range as you discovered, but now you have additional control over the wave, too. Cool, eh?

Yes! VERY cool! Thanks for sharing this GregAE! - MF