Cp-251 plus Delay = ?

[EricK]

Well im thinking about getting the 104z and the cp251 and I already have the ring modulator. Can anyone tell me what kinds of things that I can do with the cp251 and the delay?

I know that i can delay noise hehe.

Im also trying to figure out what i can do with my Ring Mod and the delay. Of corse Im really interested in the CV capabillities.

Can anyone provide suggestions or ideas?


Thanks!


EricK

[ColorForm2113]

idont own a the delay or cp (yet) but what i know about them from from demos and manuals i think this would be fun: put the ringmod in the loop of the delay and switch it so the delay signal is ringmoded (i forget if thats external or internal) and then take the s&h from the Cp and have it modulate the delay time. probably get some crazy pitchshift-y gong echo. CP is definately next on my list of things to buy, i hope you enjoy

[EricK]

Thanks for the feedback. I hope more of you guys chime in on the possibillities. Of corse im not trying to steal your patches hehehe Im just curious because im thinking about getting both the CP and the Delay in a few months.

Eric

[Bryan T]

One common thing to do is use either an LFO or the Sample and Hold to modulate the delay time. If you attenuate the CV quite a bit, then you'll get a pretty lush chorusing sound. If you attenuate it less, you'll get seasick.

I second the comment about putting the ring modulator in the effects loop of the delay. You can get great effects with the carrier frequency in the audio range (after the first delay each of the repeats will be ring modulated in new and interesting ways) or in the sub-audio range (which adds tremolo to the repeats only).

A more subtle use is to use the delay out signal as the carrier for the ring modulator. On delay repeats you'll hear the signal shift up an octave. It isn't ideal, particularly if the audio source has a lot of harmonics, but it can give a lo-fi octave sound.

Really, just put on your thinking cap and consider all of the control options that you'll have at your disposal. That'll inspire new sounds. Alternatively, think of a sound and see if you can patch the gear to get there.

For what it is worth, if I could only have two pedals I would take the 104Z and the Ring Mod. The CP-251 is icing on the cake.

Bryan

[Maskin]

I have both, but at the moment I'm not into patching (I'm working on a dub tech liveset and I need a static delay time).

But for instance you could sync the CP's LFO or S&H with multiple CV's (like the delay time and feedback of the MF-104 and perhaps the LFO or frequency of the MF-102).
If you run the patch through one of the attenuators you can control 3 parameters with just one knob.

The possibilities are endless, and I can recommend to read the manuals and try the example patches in there..

[EricK]

Well I surely appreciate the tips. I was just drawing a blank, particularly because I guess I wasn't familliar with the functions of the delay. I know that when I get the pedals Ill surely figure out some insane stuff to do.

Thanks!

EricK

[Mooguitar]

I got some nutty stuff going with the 251 , and the 104 /Delay using the MULT feature --- you can turn up the feedback AND delay time simultaneously, with one exp pedal..or soon ..with the MP-201. Try Using the mults to get triplicate out of your one expression pedal.... some neat stuff there and very space saving.


Also-- with an A/B switch -- you can make a 'fake looper'

Put the A/B switch right before the 104 in your chain

have the main signal go into the A/B common jack.

have the A output go to the DELAY, then from DELAY/OUT, to the mixer or amp

have the B output go right to the mixer or amp

Set the delay time to max, attach exp pedal to the FEEDBACK control.... Select "A" on your switcher...play ...increase the feedback to where it doesn't run away (close to 100%).

Now Select "B" on your switcher...the delay will keep running of course -- you can still control the feedback etc... but NO NEW SOUND goes into it until you switch back.

Experiment with where in the chain you put the A/B switch, depending on what FX you want the delay to be getting hit with...

[SteveD]

A tiny amount of the Smooth sample-and-hold output of the CP-251 to the Delay time input is *really nice*.

I like the way the square wave acts when modulating the delay time too, as the pitch changes w/ echo time in an analog delay. You can spend some time dialing in the right amount w/ an attenuator so you can get some cool harmonies.

SD

[EricK]

Man these are some grande tips! I really appreciate them. I surely woudl be patching them but im waiting for the old Uncle Sam to give my my income tax refund lolololoool.

Eric