External Electronic switching wiring/device..???

[shakti]

Its been quiet around here lately.
Say I wanted to rackmount 6 foogers in a rack that is ideally about chest height for twiddling while I'm standing and playing bass. Is there any way i could wire something from each of the racked on/off switches to little strip of wood with 6 buttons on it placed on the floor for foot switching. I would like both switches to work, the originals and the floor switches. is this possible? And if so, how?

[latigid on]

It'll depend on the action and logic of the switch.

The 'foogers are not true bypass. If they were, this would be more of a pain, as you would need a multicore cable to extend a switch to the floor. My guess is that the bypass section uses some sort of opamp circuit. Hopefully, this only requires a SPST (off/on) or SPDT (on/on) switch. From the feel of them, they appear to be momentary actioned. To make your plan work, you would need to open the chassis, and have a look at the switch. Two wires and it's SPST. Three and it's SPDT. More, and it will be more difficult. If it is SPST, you'll need to check the logic of the switch with a multimeter (continuity). Is it normally open or closed? Check if it is momentary or not also.

Go to the shop and buy exactly the same type of switch. Don't get anything too flimsy.

Decide whether or not you want to drill a hole in your investment... You may wish to add a jack to the back, which might be cool for externally gating the thing.

Then, just solder a cable over the Moogerfooger switch; i.e. run wires from each terminal. This could then go to a jack in the back, or be hard wired to your new switch.

Should be fine, but attempt at your own risk...

[nathan]

isnt it possible to just run a cable from the mix-control to a potentiometer with a spst in between?

[Henfield]

What would you need to "twiddle" that you couldn't do with a footpedal? I know that the number of footpedals starts to add up, but I would rather use footpedals than do any work on my foogers.

[ColorForm2113]

http://loop-master.com/ <----check this site out

[nathan]

i would like to make one, like i said, with potentiometers after a permanent stompknob. then let's say 8 of them on one board. then link it to the (let's say) Freq output of the FreqBox and tune it out. that way i would have a manual (footual actually) stepsequencer.

The Step Sequencer!

[latigid on]

Nathan's idea will work better than mine. However, you may have some trouble when wiring the MuRF, as the CV inputs are wired differently.

[nathan]

well, i am still confused about how knobs must be turned for Shakti.
when you would want the stompknob to work as a on/off switch, what way should the knob on the fooger itself be turned? i am talking about the Mix-knob.
because they both work on the device and the external pedal then.
fooger:left position >>
pedal; right position>>does this mean center as sum when the ext.pedal is engaged?

allso, my idea would mean the pedal is never bypassed, only the mix is influenced.

[ColorForm2113]

what about the phaser? it doesnt have a mix knob

[Colonel Monk]

Its been quiet around here lately.
Say I wanted to rackmount 6 foogers in a rack that is ideally about chest height for twiddling while I'm standing and playing bass. Is there any way i could wire something from each of the racked on/off switches to little strip of wood with 6 buttons on it placed on the floor for foot switching. I would like both switches to work, the originals and the floor switches. is this possible? And if so, how?

Hey Shakti:

I'm kind of doing the same thing -- I'll be building a shallow rack case with some kickback legs that will sit on top of my amp cabinet.

OK, here's my evil plan:

REMOVE the momentary switches from the moogers. From what I remember, each one has a little plug that connects to the PCB. I might even de-solder the wire leads so I don't have to go thru the trouble of removing them.

Put the switches into an enclosure on the floor with labels so you know what they are. Wire them to a multiconductor cable. If you have 6 moogers, you'll need a 12 conductor cable. Or, six two conductor.

I would terminate each pair into a "mono" 3.5mm male phone plug. OR, when I get around to looking, I might choose another plug.

Back to the Moogers: In the hole left by removing the switch, I would install a 3.5mm female phone jack (or similar) with some washers (the hole would be a bit too big maybe).

Solder the wires to finish up.

Now, my switches are on the floor. With the plug/jack I can unplug them for transport. If I *were* to sell them, they'd still be original I'd just put the switches back.

I'm not sure how you could have two switches - the foogers use a latching relay or something for the switching, which is why the stomp switch is so smooth. Whereas your regular stomps are a mechanical latching footswitch.....

Actually, if you wired two momentary switches in parallel, it would operate exactly the same. The switch is only shorted when you step on it, so the fooger wouldn't know how many switches are hooked up.

I guess the main drawback to that is you'd have to drill a hole to mount the second jack.

I'd be willing to share my project with you all when I get going on it but it could take me a few months....

Monk

[Colonel Monk]

BTW, I have also thought about using individual loops - but that's too much wiring. I already have a floor board with 10 or so pedals, if you do looping for each mooger you are going to effectively double your cabling.

I'm planning to use my fooger rack as a whole unit or "patch" most likely, so the current plan is to use a single looper or a blender such as the Barge or Xotic, so I can bring the whole thing in or out with one switch.

I also want to be able to share it with our keys player, so I don't want to integrate individual pedals with my regular rig.

Hope this helps. Lots of info out there regarding looping.

Monk

[Henfield]

Another solution would be to use expression pedals for the "mix" control on various pedals, but this would mean lots of pedals! Unless you could use the new MP-201, which could control 4 of them!

[Henfield]

http://loop-master.com/ <----check this site out

Actually, I just checked out the Loop Master, and this would be a viable solution! You would just need to get two of those 1/4" recording snake that are made by Hosa, etc..., and the 8 loop effect switcher (or the 5 if you only have 5 MF pedals). You would then gain a Master Bypass and a dedicated tuner out. The other advantage would be that all of the MF pedals would be "running", so that the LFO from the MF-102 could still sweep the cutoff frequency of the MF-101 (I do not think that this can occur if the MF-102 is switched off, oh well I will try this soon!).

[ColorForm2113]

http://loop-master.com/ <----check this site out

Actually, I just checked out the Loop Master, and this would be a viable solution! You would just need to get two of those 1/4" recording snake that are made by Hosa, etc..., and the 8 loop effect switcher (or the 5 if you only have 5 MF pedals). You would then gain a Master Bypass and a dedicated tuner out. The other advantage would be that all of the MF pedals would be "running", so that the LFO from the MF-102 could still sweep the cutoff frequency of the MF-101 (I do not think that this can occur if the MF-102 is switched off, oh well I will try this soon!).

the lfo's and envelopes still work to modulate other moogers when the modulation source is turned off

[Henfield]

the lfo's and envelopes still work to modulate other moogers when the modulation source is turned off

Thanks for the info, you are very correct! I just checked it out today, and the LFO on the 102 and the Envelope Follower on the 101 still work when the effect is bypassed. I can't remember if this is talked about in the manuals, but it helps for the foogers connectivity.