I think that if synthesizers.com can make a Moog 960 sequencer clone for around 800 dollars then surely Moog can make one. Id love to see a truly dedicated sequencer from Moog.
Respectfully,
Eric
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Kevin Lightner
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Let me be the fly in the ointment for a sec... 
$800 is still a lot of money.
If Moog made one, it would need both a power supply and a case.
Synth.com's primary customers already have one of their modulars.
Moog has separate niches with theremins, synths and pedals (with some crossover customers.)
Moog also has their name and previously released a 960.
They'd have to release the same or a better product or face comparisons and criticisms.
That would cost money considering the quality of the parts that went into the originals.
How about this?
A small Moogerfooger type of mini sequencer?
Moog is already stocked and tooled for this type of enclosure and both modular and Moogerfooger owners could benefit.
Maybe just a 10 or 12 step thing, but with chaining so a customer can buy another one to chain out of and loop around.
It could all be done with a small PIC processor and PCB mounted pots and leds.
Costs could be low enough that buying 2 or 3 wouldn't be a problem.
You could add them as rows or to make longer sequences. (parallel or serial)
$800 is still a lot of money.
If Moog made one, it would need both a power supply and a case.
Synth.com's primary customers already have one of their modulars.
Moog has separate niches with theremins, synths and pedals (with some crossover customers.)
Moog also has their name and previously released a 960.
They'd have to release the same or a better product or face comparisons and criticisms.
That would cost money considering the quality of the parts that went into the originals.
How about this?
A small Moogerfooger type of mini sequencer?
Moog is already stocked and tooled for this type of enclosure and both modular and Moogerfooger owners could benefit.
Maybe just a 10 or 12 step thing, but with chaining so a customer can buy another one to chain out of and loop around.
It could all be done with a small PIC processor and PCB mounted pots and leds.
Costs could be low enough that buying 2 or 3 wouldn't be a problem.
You could add them as rows or to make longer sequences. (parallel or serial)
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Kevin Lightner
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Thanks
I was thinking more about this.
Ok, let's say it was a MF style pedal with 10 pots.
But also a pushbutton that allowed several functions per pot.
Such as a 2nd page like the OB8 has, only make it have 3 or 4 pages.
With no additional hardware, one could set the gate time of each stage and even the glide time to the next one.
One could get rhythmic stuff out of it by setting stages to different times.
All the way down could be to just skip that stage altogether.
If set to the pitch setting, the controls could still be modified in real time.
It could have quantization. Glide could even be in software.
PIC CPU chips often have analog out channels with 16 bit DACs.
You'd never hear stepping at that resolution.
I was thinking more about this.
Ok, let's say it was a MF style pedal with 10 pots.
But also a pushbutton that allowed several functions per pot.
Such as a 2nd page like the OB8 has, only make it have 3 or 4 pages.
With no additional hardware, one could set the gate time of each stage and even the glide time to the next one.
One could get rhythmic stuff out of it by setting stages to different times.
All the way down could be to just skip that stage altogether.
If set to the pitch setting, the controls could still be modified in real time.
It could have quantization. Glide could even be in software.
PIC CPU chips often have analog out channels with 16 bit DACs.
You'd never hear stepping at that resolution.
Mr Lightner,
THat sounds like a good idea, but would it have that Moog sound?
Can you make it have 3 rows of 4 pots?
Perhaps a push button pot that would allow for a second or third paremeter to be set? Maybe using a similar digital memory as seen on the voyager?
Footswitchable on off /tap tempo?
Midi?
Hey don't let me get off on a tangent, i like the idea that you had with that keping it all something that they already were set up for.
Respectfully,
Eric
THat sounds like a good idea, but would it have that Moog sound?
Can you make it have 3 rows of 4 pots?
Perhaps a push button pot that would allow for a second or third paremeter to be set? Maybe using a similar digital memory as seen on the voyager?
Footswitchable on off /tap tempo?
Midi?
Hey don't let me get off on a tangent, i like the idea that you had with that keping it all something that they already were set up for.
Respectfully,
Eric
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I would love to see that, single function knobs, in a CP-251 box. It would be cool to add a multiple and 2 Attenuators/Inverters.A small Moogerfooger type of mini sequencer?
I would also like to see another Mooger effect. I would love a Moog flanger, with an effects loop.
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I'm not sure how much of a Moog sound the public would expect from a device producing control voltages and gates.THat sounds like a good idea, but would it have that Moog sound?
Midi out wouldn't be a problem.
I see no problem having CVs *and* MIDI produced simultaneously, but each jack and feature bumps prices up.
It's hard to know where to stop.
For example, if just a MIDI out was provided, someone would gripe that it couldn't be sync'd to MIDI clock.
What if you could base it on the MURF design, just having a wide range Oscilator, with a continuously variable waveshape pot per slider?
Rate knob to control the speed.
Perhaps there would be a "Wide/Semi" rocker switch (like the 921A) where the sliders would be extremely sensitive to cover several octaves or Semi within a scale to allow it to function as a standalone unit or for pitch determination by external Trigger.
It could have an Audio IN to insert other effects or tones before the sequence with a Mix Knob like the Ring Mod.
Seq Out to trigger other effects (use it on the envelope for filter modulation; use it to control the OSC Bank of the Voyager; )
A rotary Knob (similar to the Pattern on the MURF) would determine where the Seq OUT trigger would activate. (If theres only 8 stages on the sequencer, you could set the knob to ALL stages or one individually from 1 to 8.)
Footswitch On/Off for rackmount use.
Sell it for les than the Delay pedal but more than the MURF.
It would help if i had an idea about circuitry to know what was possible or not lol.
Respectfully,
Eric
Rate knob to control the speed.
Perhaps there would be a "Wide/Semi" rocker switch (like the 921A) where the sliders would be extremely sensitive to cover several octaves or Semi within a scale to allow it to function as a standalone unit or for pitch determination by external Trigger.
It could have an Audio IN to insert other effects or tones before the sequence with a Mix Knob like the Ring Mod.
Seq Out to trigger other effects (use it on the envelope for filter modulation; use it to control the OSC Bank of the Voyager; )
A rotary Knob (similar to the Pattern on the MURF) would determine where the Seq OUT trigger would activate. (If theres only 8 stages on the sequencer, you could set the knob to ALL stages or one individually from 1 to 8.)
Footswitch On/Off for rackmount use.
Sell it for les than the Delay pedal but more than the MURF.
It would help if i had an idea about circuitry to know what was possible or not lol.
Respectfully,
Eric
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Heres a picture i drew if everyone can pardon my mad scribbles lol.
From left to right you have the
Rate
THe knob on the top in the middle: Trigger (All or 1-8 individually)
Under that, the output signal or a Drive for the input signal
Under that, a ROcker Switch (Wide, Semitone) making the sliders sensitive or just within one octave.
THe Mix Knob for the input signal
THe row of 8 LED's
Sliders determining the pitch of the Oscilator
Beneath that is a continuously variable waveshape for that particular Slider
Beneath that, a row of spring loaded skip buttons for selecting or eliminating a stage.
A Crossfader on the bottom for panning. Maybe having an external LFO to trigger an autopan?
An extra thought on this would be that you could bypass the sequencer altogether if you wanted and use it as a Voltage Controlled Oscilator to give you an extra OSC if you owned a Little Phatty, Pro Theremin or an older Moog synth like the MicroMoog that only had one oscilator.
It is hard to know when to stop!
Nice riffing with a synth legend, Mr Lightner.
Respectfully,
Eric
From left to right you have the
Rate
THe knob on the top in the middle: Trigger (All or 1-8 individually)
Under that, the output signal or a Drive for the input signal
Under that, a ROcker Switch (Wide, Semitone) making the sliders sensitive or just within one octave.
THe Mix Knob for the input signal
THe row of 8 LED's
Sliders determining the pitch of the Oscilator
Beneath that is a continuously variable waveshape for that particular Slider
Beneath that, a row of spring loaded skip buttons for selecting or eliminating a stage.
A Crossfader on the bottom for panning. Maybe having an external LFO to trigger an autopan?
An extra thought on this would be that you could bypass the sequencer altogether if you wanted and use it as a Voltage Controlled Oscilator to give you an extra OSC if you owned a Little Phatty, Pro Theremin or an older Moog synth like the MicroMoog that only had one oscilator.
It is hard to know when to stop!
Nice riffing with a synth legend, Mr Lightner.
Respectfully,
Eric
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I think the sequencer alone (CV only) would be the most beneficial. We already have several oscillators (102, 107, Voyager, LP etc.); can you think of an application where an internal osc. would find a different use?
There once was the Frostwave Fat Controller. Alas, it is no more.
One cool feature was its pitch quantise, where the silder value was divided into semitone steps.
So something like this would be great. Remember, though, Moog Music does not reinvent the wheel, and instead comes up with a new concept of the wheel.
There once was the Frostwave Fat Controller. Alas, it is no more.
One cool feature was its pitch quantise, where the silder value was divided into semitone steps.
So something like this would be great. Remember, though, Moog Music does not reinvent the wheel, and instead comes up with a new concept of the wheel.
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Wonderful ideas here!
I must say though, I'm a bit surprised how little attention is paid to the controller end.
Even a stock Voyager is capable of a truly infinite pallete of sonic textures, but most "keyboardists" play one like a piano or organ, or confine themselves to midi programming alone as the means of creating sound.
I realize that efforts to improve the interface have had limited success (probably because they weren't very good, imo), but I still think this is a place where Moog could make a huge contribution.
And remember, Bob Moog himself always was searching for better controllers, some even say he saw controllers as the "holy grail" of synthesis. And many a great synthesist - Joe Zawinul and Jan Hammer for example - were always creating their own interfaces since nothing suitable was available.
So I'm gonna bump up the idea of Moog getting into modular controller production, where the musician chooses their own keyboard and left-hand components to order! I'd be the first to get in line!
I must say though, I'm a bit surprised how little attention is paid to the controller end.
Even a stock Voyager is capable of a truly infinite pallete of sonic textures, but most "keyboardists" play one like a piano or organ, or confine themselves to midi programming alone as the means of creating sound.I realize that efforts to improve the interface have had limited success (probably because they weren't very good, imo), but I still think this is a place where Moog could make a huge contribution.
And remember, Bob Moog himself always was searching for better controllers, some even say he saw controllers as the "holy grail" of synthesis. And many a great synthesist - Joe Zawinul and Jan Hammer for example - were always creating their own interfaces since nothing suitable was available.
So I'm gonna bump up the idea of Moog getting into modular controller production, where the musician chooses their own keyboard and left-hand components to order!
I'd be the first to get in line!