LP filter brightness, adjusted on stage what about tribute?

doctorno · Post by **doctorno** » Mon May 21, 2007 8:07 pm

goldphinga wrote:can the TE be adjusted a la the stage ed to give it a brighter, more minimoog like sound?

According to the comments by Cyril Lance to the cited SOS review the sound of the LP has been brightened up for the Stage Edition only. So it seems the "brightness-question" is something that cannot be solved by software-updates, but only by hardware modifications.

goldphinga · Post by **goldphinga** » Tue May 22, 2007 5:59 am

with respect thats just an assumption.also bear in mind the TE has many more tweakable internal pots for filter/oscs etc..

robles · Post by **robles** » Tue May 22, 2007 9:47 am

doctorno wrote:Thanks for the advice, I have read all this, but I do not agree. I doubt that it is the oscillator that sounds that different in the Moog LP and the Minimoog. I am almost certain that it is the filter. And the only way you could find out more about that was if you would compare the waveforms of the Oscs directly (not from the audio output of the LP, where the signal has already passed the filter). Above all the fact remains that a comparison with a VA synth says nothing about the LP´s sound at all.

A quick test for this would be to set filter at maximum and change the number of poles for the filter. If the sound doesn't get any brighter, then it has to be the oscillators, because a less steep roll-off on the cut-off is going to let more higher frequencies through.

kybernaut_01 · Post by **kybernaut_01** » Tue May 22, 2007 10:31 am

As far as my experience goes, the filter of the LP Stage can be opened far beyond the hearing range -- at least when using the additional mod amount of the "EG Amount" knob.

This is how I recorded my second sound example "LP_stage_fully_open.wav"...

cheers,
kybernaut_01

goldphinga · Post by **goldphinga** » Tue May 22, 2007 11:27 am

My reference point for how bright the LP goes is my source and memorymoog. Both have a significantly more sizzly and brighter top end, i suspect the minimoog is the same.

The questions is why this is the case and how it can be improved on the TE.

goldphinga · Post by **goldphinga** » Thu May 24, 2007 3:37 pm

So....ill ask again!

Can anyone tell me if there is a way to make the TE brighter sounding like the SE?

Or is this one of those mysterious questions that will never get answered?!

Id like to hear from Moog on this as it was Cyril who added in the article that the brightness of the SE was improved over the TE...

Im eager to know how this can be acheived,

Any thoughts most welcome!

goldphinga · Post by **goldphinga** » Wed May 30, 2007 4:38 am

bump...

Jazzpunk · Post by **Jazzpunk** » Thu May 31, 2007 2:52 pm

I'd suggest e-mailing Moog directly as they seem to be steering clear of threads in which mods to the Stage edition are being questioned as 'improvements' over the TE edition.

Hopefully you'll have better luck in getting information than I did when directly inquiring about the '2nd mod destination' being offered as a paid upgrade for TE owners.

sizzlemeister · Post by **sizzlemeister** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:16 am

Jazzpunk wrote: Hopefully you'll have better luck in getting information than I did when directly inquiring about the '2nd mod destination' being offered as a paid upgrade for TE owners.

"Upgrade" - heh.

I'm curious about this too, although if they consider the 2nd mod destination an "upgrade" worthy of payment, then it will most likely be an "upgrade" for the oscillators and/or signal path (which ever is the real culprit).

nikola · Post by **nikola** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:28 pm

robles wrote:
doctorno wrote:Thanks for the advice, I have read all this, but I do not agree. I doubt that it is the oscillator that sounds that different in the Moog LP and the Minimoog. I am almost certain that it is the filter. And the only way you could find out more about that was if you would compare the waveforms of the Oscs directly (not from the audio output of the LP, where the signal has already passed the filter). Above all the fact remains that a comparison with a VA synth says nothing about the LP´s sound at all.
A quick test for this would be to set filter at maximum and change the number of poles for the filter. If the sound doesn't get any brighter, then it has to be the oscillators, because a less steep roll-off on the cut-off is going to let more higher frequencies through.

IT DOES GO BRIGHTER (changing the flt pols)

but not so bright like my juno 60

Sir Nose · Post by **Sir Nose** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:01 pm

Holy dead thread batman!!!

Edit:

Since the Keyboard tracking amount also affects the cutoff frequency, maybe that's why on the Stage and Stage 2 it doesn't go up to 4095 with the POT.

nikola · Post by **nikola** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:42 pm

Sir Nose wrote:Holy dead thread batman!!!

Edit:

Since the Keyboard tracking amount also affects the cutoff frequency, maybe that's why on the Stage and Stage 2 it doesn't go up to 4095 with the POT.

hehe

i know,

but the bigger number would make it (the sound of osc) brighter, e?
and the pot problemos is history in the moment, a member of this forum worked that out

Sir Nose · Post by **Sir Nose** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:07 pm

But, does that fixed get rid of the "extra brightness".

Filter cutoff on the lower notes would have a higher cutoff if the tracking is limited. Maybe that's how it was made "brighter". Just a guess.

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