Tribute = No Second Mod Destination

electrical_engineer_gEEk · Post by **electrical_engineer_gEEk** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:53 pm

"If you are going to weigh in on this thread you should state whether
you are experienced in the realities of hardware system design and
commercial manufacture. Obviously those of us who are are not going
to care about the opinion of someone who does not"

Two thumbs up Tangsonghe!

As far as if i own a TE?
I will be purchasing a TE off of ebay soon (does that SHOCK you?), I really think the blue leds and wood sides make it a truly beautiful synth....and as far as a lack of added features which will appear on the SE? they are simply cute additions and not something I would consider a core feature that the TE is lacking, It's not like the SE owners are getting a bonus (physical) knob to twist or anything. The TE owners should actually be more then thankful that they are existing in a generation where firmware upgrades are even possible....if we lived in a different decade they wouldn't even get the new revision of noise & S&H!

Jazzpunk · Post by **Jazzpunk** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:18 pm

Tangsonghe wrote:
Jazzpunk wrote:If you are going to weigh in on this thread you should state whether you own a TE or not. Obviously those of us who own them aren't going to care about the opinion of someone who does not.

Cheers.
Well, I guess you don't care about my opinion because I don't own
a LP TE. Wrong time, no money. Why am I on this forum though? Because I want one. You don't trust that I am capable of showing any empathy towards somebody who shelled out for a special piece of kit. Fair enough. But if you want to apply that logic I could do some rewording:

"If you are going to weigh in on this thread you should state whether
you are experienced in the realities of hardware system design and
commercial manufacture. Obviously those of us who are are not going
to care about the opinion of someone who does not"

All the best

Tangsonghe

As I figured, neither you or EEG actually own a TE. I think it is important for Moog to know which opinions are coming from those of us who bought the TE and those who have yet to make their purchase.

It's not that I don't care about your opinions Tangsonghe, it's just that as a TE owner, I am obviously going to have a slightly different interest in how this matter is sorted out.

I think we can both agree on the fact that we are big fans of Moog and want only the best for the company.

I am psyched about the upcoming OS release (thanks Moog!) and am hoping the second mod will be made available for purchase as well.

Cheers

robles · Post by **robles** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:47 pm

Xenollop wrote:So If I'm understanding correctly you use the mod wheel to control both functions simultaneously?

Correct. The mod wheel is simply a fader for bringing in or out the mod signal to wherever the destination is. So if you have a second destination set, the mod wheel will bring the signal in or out to both destinations. I'm assuming you would be able to turn off the second destination. It would suck if you had to have a second destination. As for you Xenollop, since you have an LFO on the Murf-102 Ring Modulator, you can send the LPs Mod wherever you like, and plug the 102 in the Pitch, Filter, or Amp CV jacks (or all three if you have get a multiple) and have a completely indepent mod for all three of those parameters.

Jazzpunk · Post by **Jazzpunk** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:48 pm

electrical_engineer_gEEk wrote: As far as if i own a TE?
I will be purchasing a TE off of ebay soon (does that SHOCK you?), I really think the blue leds and wood sides make it a truly beautiful synth....and as far as a lack of added features which will appear on the SE? they are simply cute additions and not something I would consider a core feature that the TE is lacking, It's not like the SE owners are getting a bonus (physical) knob to twist or anything. The TE owners should actually be more then thankful that they are existing in a generation where firmware upgrades are even possible....if we lived in a different decade they wouldn't even get the new revision of noise & S&H!

I'm not shocked at all. It's a damn fine looking synth! I believe there are still some new ones floating around out there if you look hard enough.

Cheers

damianschwartz · Post by **damianschwartz** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:52 pm

I think this is going too far, and this is not the place to fight. We all agree LP is a great product, in all the versions. my thoughts are, when a product comes out, a serious and great company, such as moog, has had to think before some of the possible changes in the close months could make, and maybe prepare the product for it, stage version come out with 6 months difference with the TE edition, and is so strange for me, in this short time not have the chance for upgrade the users of the TE, wich was more expensive, and it supoused to do same things. I think you can not compare moog with other big synth brands, and i think a small and serious companny like moog is another reason to improve and take care of their buyers, i think this is one of the things they are selling too.

thewaag · Post by **thewaag** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:15 pm

First of all, I am a TE owner....#274 if I remember correctly.

I am just kind of curious......

There is so much speculation and rumor that passes on this board and others.... Did MOOG ever actually say that the two synths were EXACTLY the same except for the OS and the visual differences? I know that they have always indicated that specifications were subject to change on the LP's.

I know that I was guilty of saying that the new Stage would sell on the street for under $1,000. That was a pretty commonly established "fact" until the Stage actually came out and sold for considerably more. Moog never officially said that the Stage would sell for $1,000 on the street.

Is it the same thing here? I know that I was under the impression that both synths were exactly the same operationally, but did MOOG actually state this officially?

But, just for the record, I am a bit upset that the Stage has an added hardware feature that the Tribute does not. I applaude Moog for adding another feature that improves an already incredible product, but the release dates between the two synths are just too close to make such a change IMO. The Tribute was sold as a Deluxe version. Now, in reality it is actually a slightly (albeit very slightly) less functional version.

Am I devastated? No. A bit peeved? Yes, just a bit. One person on this thread made a very good point however. I would rather have the CP-251 than the new mod, if the new mod costs very much. The CP-251 would be much more versitile, and like the poster said, it is much better to tweak knobs instead of working in menues. I HATE MENUES!!!

Polymoogie · Post by **Polymoogie** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:51 pm

Who said that Moog is the Mercedes among synths ?

If I remember it right, Mercedes is the brand that only the bad guys drive (or did I watch too much "James Bond") ?

I don´t like this comparison; Moog is brilliant, Mercedes something for old people with too much money (at least here in Germany). And the last Mercedeses (plural, anyone ?) I know, rusted like hell. No rust on my LP until now.

And by the way: I love my LP tribute just the way it is.

robles · Post by **robles** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:00 pm

Well, adding a second destination really is a very simple modification, and I'm sure that the folks at Moog figured it was an easy way to add value to a product they will presumably have around for quite a while. I do think that as soon as they started releasing details of the new additions to the LP they needed to be clear that the second mod destination was for the Stage version only. That way, people about to buy a LP could decide with all available information which version they wanted.

I love my TE. I'd be very upset, however, if I had bought one at the time the details of the upgrade were being released and thought I was going to have a second mod destination and then found out that I wasn't going to after all.

Xenollop · Post by **Xenollop** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:14 pm

I feel like I've barely scraped the surface on how versitile the moog products are.
Being able to do the same thing as the built in second mod destination but with any of the LFOs on the moogerfoogers sounds pretty awesome...and more limitless.
It'd be nice if they offered the upgrade so that the TE would be even more of a beast...but having an arsenal of Foogers with the Phatty with the ability to plug in so many areas...that seems highly enjoyable.

I can't imagine the sonic chaos the freqbox is gonna bring...

DeFrag · Post by **DeFrag** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:52 pm

I wish MOOG would chime in with a solitary post, set everything including our speculations straight, & tell us like it is: whether or not what we think is true in fact reflects reality. That way, they get press, we settle down, & everybody can go on with their little lives.

I don't suspect for a second that if this change comes to fruition & requires a HW update that MOOG will do anything about TE owners. They don't have the staff or authorized dealers whom they would trust with such an operation. Sit back, enjoy our Tributes, support MOOG, & thanks Bob.

elanmak · Post by **elanmak** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:22 pm

So you're paying more for some wood panels, whereas you get more for the cheaper one?

Hello, Stage Edition.

kumasynthtones · Post by **kumasynthtones** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:31 pm

It's more of an investment. I believe the TE will go up in value and the stage well, may not. You are paying for the the sake of owning 1 of 1200 TE's. It is very unique. Anyways, I haven't heard from anyone why they care for the 2nd mod and how they are going to use it anyways. Listen to Jazzpunk, he reminds me of a 2 year old girl crying because her brother's cookie (though the same chocolate chip) is just a tad bit bigger in diameter. Well, you are always going to hear people bitch over a millimeter anyways. TE, Stage, same synth.

sir_dss · Post by **sir_dss** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:52 pm

I'm not so sure about the value rising... Look at the SE Voyager they don't go for much more 2nd hand than a Performer and quite a bit less then the Anniversary/EBlue. Those were the FIRST new Moogs.

I think as far as value goes it's features and functionality that what people want and will want if they are looking to by one on Ebay in 15 years.

Face it there is'nt 1200 synth museums.

kumasynthtones · Post by **kumasynthtones** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:26 pm

True, you have a very good point. However, I believe that increased value will affect unique synths only. The problem is Flagships are always going to be expensive and lose value (maybe not much), because there will always be an improved flagship. But there are many synths that have maintained or increased in value, and I have a feeling the TE will be one of those because they are so unique. For example, the Roland TB-303 sold for around $200 brand new back in the day. You will be lucky to find one less than $900 these days, averaging right around $1000+. I do believe the 303 failed, but don't quote me on that one. Now, there are many emulators now out in the market, and most bread and butter synths will include an emulation of the 303, but they are all missing one thing...The uniqueness. I predict the TE will have the same effect, maybe not a drastic increase like the 303, but sure as hell be more than the Stage, just because it is unique. And, it doesn't even include the 2nd mod. Did you know that there is a very rare white version Roland SH-101? In 15-20 years people will be asking, Did you know that there is Moog Little Phatty with wood sides? Take into consideration the Stage will most likely be a Moog Best seller, and there will be over 50,000 sold.

kumasynthtones · Post by **kumasynthtones** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:38 pm

I forgot to mention that having a production limit makes a synth very unique.

My wife collects dolls, spent around 15K on limited editions over the years, now well worth, get this...over $50K.