Tribute = No Second Mod Destination

kron787 · Post by **kron787** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:08 am

Hi Guys,

According to this thread at VSE, only the Stage edition will get the second mod destination:

http://www.vintagesynth.org/phpBB2/view ... hp?t=23297

Because it requires a hardware upgrade.

I've been debating one for a few weeks, and I have to say, I'm a bit glad I didn't get a Tribute now - it looks much cooler, but imho, the second mod destination adds quite a few sonic possibilities to the LP.

Apologies if this has been discussed before; I couldn't find a thread here with info about it.

Also, note that I fully understand the tradeoffs Moog had to make to even get the LP built, so I'm not trying to harsh on them...just hoping for a discussion.

Mumpbeak · Post by **Mumpbeak** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:17 am

I think that producing an exclusive limited edition synth (Tribute) which is then closely followed by a non limited edition synth (Stage) with extra features not available to the first edition (second modulation destination) is a very peculiar marketing strategy-to put it kindly!

I am sure that many of us who went to great lengths to secure a LPTE are now feeling like we may have been a little hasty. Maybe we should have waited for Moog to iron out the bugs and settle on an ultimate configuration -I certainly was unprepared for my role as a Beta tester.

Final insult-the Stage is cheaper and will be widely available and any hardware upgrade offered to TE owners will not be a feasible option for non US residents.

Doh!

CTRLSHFT · Post by **CTRLSHFT** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:30 pm

comes with the territory..
early adopters also got to heavily use a tribute before the stage was even a twinkle in most users' eyes. i don't feel shammed at all. at least everything else on the new OS update will work. that's pretty cool.

this sort of development isn't suprising. a bummer a little bit, sure, but if moog would consider a hardware upgrade (provided it's even feasible) for a small fee, or (cost dependent) cover it under warranty, i'd definitely be a happier owner, and also be a little less inclined to sell my tribute.

Xenollop · Post by **Xenollop** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:31 pm

What exactly does that do?
Should I gravely regret ordering a tribute?

That's irritating

CTRLSHFT · Post by **CTRLSHFT** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:38 pm

Xenollop wrote:What exactly does that do?
Should I gravely regret ordering a tribute?

That's irritating

i'm not sure that many of the specifics have been addressed (can you assign the waveforms independently, or is it the same? any control over the amount for each?), but the 2nd mod would presumably allow you to set two different modulation targets with the same LFO. e.g., cutoff and pitch.

on the bright side, you can still modulate a ton of crap all at the same time with external modulation sources. getting all 4 going at once and then modulating the waveform with the built-in LFO = serious chaos.

DeFrag · Post by **DeFrag** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:46 pm

Now I see why they didn't reply when I asked what if any differences there were between the two units besides the software updates. Big bummer

robles · Post by **robles** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:03 pm

Xenollop wrote:What exactly does that do?
Should I gravely regret ordering a tribute?

That's irritating

Now I feel really bad pushing the Tribute. I am more than a liitle miffed at Amos for not being more forthcoming about this limitation, especially when Xenollop has been all over this forum asking if there is going to be any difference hardware-wise between the two editions.

Well, they should be able to come up with a hardware modification. In the meantime, Xenollop, you can always use the LFO on your Murf RM-102 to plug into the various input control jacks of the Tribute. That gives you a second independent LFO.

As for me, I'm happy enough with my Tribute. I know things change with newer versions, but my Tribute is so beautiful. I've even debated on whether to load the new OS or just leave mine in its original state. I've been planning on getting a small modular LFO, and perhaps filter to supplement the Tribute anyway.

Xenollop · Post by **Xenollop** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:55 pm

thanks Robles...the moog forum is the most helpful and identifying forum I've frequented ever over anything else.

Do you think moog would be uninclined to do the hardware updates for tributes sent to them once the stage has been out?

I'm gonna be using the little phatty solo for a while to get to know it inside and out before pairing it with the foogers so I perhaps by the time they offer that I'll be well aquainted enough to not mind sending for updating.

Does this feature mean a different knob? I didn't think there were anything extra knobs etc?

thanks again

CTRLSHFT · Post by **CTRLSHFT** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:59 pm

Xenollop wrote:thanks Robles...the moog forum is the most helpful and identifying forum I've frequented ever over anything else.

Do you think moog would be uninclined to do the hardware updates for tributes sent to them once the stage has been out?

I'm gonna be using the little phatty solo for a while to get to know it inside and out before pairing it with the foogers so I perhaps by the time they offer that I'll be well aquainted enough to not mind sending for updating.

Does this feature mean a different knob? I didn't think there were anything extra knobs etc?

thanks again

undoubtedly it would be a menu option you would select and activate.

Jazzpunk · Post by **Jazzpunk** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:07 pm

Bummer

(Phatty is turning out to be one hell of a little synth though)

kumasynthtones · Post by **kumasynthtones** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:34 pm

For crying out loud, I can't believe people are upset about the 2nd mod thing. Who cares, look at it this way, the next OS for the Tribute is still going to make your synth 10 times better than it was. + let me remind you that you are 1 of only 1200 in the world to have one. We will see how much the Tribute will go up in value over then next few years compared to the Stage. Every synth has a unique quality, and you purchased your Tribute for that very reason (ahhh, beautiful wood sides). It may suck right now, but this happens all the time, (4 different versions of motifs, 4 versions of tritons, 3 different versions of fantoms, etc). I just don't see the point of bitching about something that is really unnecessary considering you bought the synth for what it has now, and praised it as being the best. Are people going to start bitching about their Voyager because it doesn't have RAC or the overload button? I hope to God not. If you are that upset, go out and buy an Evolver, sell your Tribute to someone who will appreciate what you already have.

Jazzpunk · Post by **Jazzpunk** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:14 pm

kumasynthtones wrote:For crying out loud, I can't believe people are upset about the 2nd mod thing. Who cares, look at it this way, the next OS for the Tribute is still going to make your synth 10 times better than it was. + let me remind you that you are 1 of only 1200 in the world to have one. We will see how much the Tribute will go up in value over then next few years compared to the Stage. Every synth has a unique quality, and you purchased your Tribute for that very reason (ahhh, beautiful wood sides). It may suck right now, but this happens all the time, (4 different versions of motifs, 4 versions of tritons, 3 different versions of fantoms, etc). I just don't see the point of bitching about something that is really unnecessary considering you bought the synth for what it has now, and praised it as being the best. Are people going to start bitching about their Voyager because it doesn't have RAC or the overload button? I hope to God not. If you are that upset, go out and buy an Evolver, sell your Tribute to someone who will appreciate what you already have.

Feel better now?

Your comparisons to other synths that have been updated over a long period of time is so completely off point.

The TE was pitched as the flagship version of the Phatty while the Stage Edition was supposedly going to be a cheaper version of the same synth.

To have the Stage so hot on the heels of the TE with additional mod choices and a lower price point is not the best way to please diehard moog fans (or any customer for that matter).

I, for one, would not have chosen wood paneling over the new hardware upgrade.

I understand if you don't agree and that is fine but chastising others for a very legitimate gripe is BS.

Cheers

kumasynthtones · Post by **kumasynthtones** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:20 pm

Jazzpunk, I not here to start any fights, I was only stating my opinion about the whole thing, and felt the need to bitch about the bitchers just as the bitchers felt the need to bitch about Moog cuz they feel as though they got ripped off, totally understandable. I do not feel this way. I have owned many synths over the years and come to know that this is inevitable. I learned to be happy with what I purchase. I am starting to read on other forums, people starting to slaughter the rep of the tribute just because of this one little modification. I know Moog is aware of the situation, here is what Amos has to say:

Now, nobody's getting screwed... The Tribute does everything it ever did when you got it... and rejoiced... and with the OS update it will do more than it did when it was new. I know I was a little disappointed too when I found out about that feature being Stage-only... but it was a case of, they had to lay out new boards for the Stage edition anyway, and Cyril realized he could add in this little feature while he was at it. I will ask about the feasibility of an upgrade... it seems like it should be possible, but I say that not knowing the subtleties of the processor architecture. So, we'll see, but I will do everything I can to help make an upgrade possible. I understand your point of view entirely.

-Amos

I couldn't agree more...

goldphinga · Post by **goldphinga** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:26 pm

The only reason people are feeling upset is because everyone thought that only the look of the stage was different to the tribute but it makes sense to improve hardware if the opportunity is there. I think the thing to do now would be to offer a free harware upgrade to tribute users with extra features that the stage doesnt have

Jazzpunk · Post by **Jazzpunk** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:39 pm

kumasynthtones wrote:Jazzpunk, I not here to start any fights, I was only stating my opinion about the whole thing, and felt the need to bitch about the bitchers just as the bitchers felt the need to bitch about Moog cuz they feel as though they got ripped off, totally understandable. I do not feel this way. I have owned many synths over the years and come to know that this is inevitable. I learned to be happy with what I purchase. I am starting to read on other forums, people starting to slaughter the rep of the tribute just because of this one little modification. I know Moog is aware of the situation, here is what Amos has to say:

Now, nobody's getting screwed... The Tribute does everything it ever did when you got it... and rejoiced... and with the OS update it will do more than it did when it was new. I know I was a little disappointed too when I found out about that feature being Stage-only... but it was a case of, they had to lay out new boards for the Stage edition anyway, and Cyril realized he could add in this little feature while he was at it. I will ask about the feasibility of an upgrade... it seems like it should be possible, but I say that not knowing the subtleties of the processor architecture. So, we'll see, but I will do everything I can to help make an upgrade possible. I understand your point of view entirely.

-Amos

I couldn't agree more...

Not here to fight either. Just bitching about you bitching about us bitching

Amos is very articulate and shows a keen insight into Moog customers when stating, 'I understand your point entirely'.

Cheers

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