Moog Delay Tips and Tricks

StompboxMan · Post by **StompboxMan** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:57 pm

We could all post out tips and tricks we do with our Moog Delay.

If you put a Compressor with full volume and sustain in the loop of the Delay with Feedback 3, then turn on the Compressor you can start a feedback loop as your note or chord ends. Then turn off the Compressor to turn off the feedback loop. It's interesting going from 2 repeats to infinite repeats and back to 2 repeats without using a foot controller into Feedback.

godzilla · Post by **godzilla** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:37 am

i like to put my sh101 through the delay while it's cv out controlls the feedback, you get nice sounds that shreek when you play high notes

Suburban Bather · Post by **Suburban Bather** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:21 pm

An Electroharmonix Bass Micro Synth in the delay loop is cool. As the delay gets weaker the Micro Synths behavior gets more interesting.

latigid on · Post by **latigid on** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:13 pm

One of the first things I did with my CP-251 was to send an inverted envelope (from MF-101) to delay time, which decreased the pitch as the envelope opened (using moderate feedback). I then played with the lag generator on the env. signal to get some whacky delay bounces!

latigid on · Post by **latigid on** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:20 pm

Sorry, a negative envelope decreases the delay time, which increases/raises the pitch. I might try sending some env. signals from the Sherman...

latigid on · Post by **latigid on** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:58 pm

latigid on wrote:I might try sending some env. signals from the Sherman...

Very, very cool envelope-controlled pitch shifting. It reminds me somewhat of a Boss PS-3 on slow pitch shift, but better.

Also, you can control feedback, of course. Send a negative envelope to a high feedback setting to "stop" the feedback when you play. Once again, endless possibilities. Thanks Moog!

asd · Post by **asd** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:41 am

I like the compressor trick, too bad I don't have a compressor pedal...

I like to use the feedback and some pedals in the loop as an actual sound source on it's own to process with the rest of the mf's. There's a pot in the back that I've turned up so the pedal feedbacks more.

Nothing really groundbreaking, I haven't really explored putting it in a feedback loop with all the controls under voltage control from the other mf's though

redeyeflight · Post by **redeyeflight** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 8:42 am

A MF-101 with the resonance set to almost self oscillate through a MF-104 feedback loop is a wonderful sound...not exactly what you might expect too! Sort of a liquid, underwater gurgle...very very unique!

bentropy · Post by **bentropy** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:58 am

I don't have the delay, but I have a question:
Can you send CV through its audio path, to delay CV signals, e.g. echoing the envelope out from the mf-101, and then sending this delay-processed CV on to a CV input somewhere (e.g. 103's sweep control input)? Or will 'bad things' happen?

Can you use audio signals as modulators in Moogerland? This seems unlikely, but this is possible in Nord Modularland (I know its apples and oranges...but just thought I'd ask)
thanks,
bentropy

asd · Post by **asd** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:07 pm

Bentropy,
I haven't messed around with delays and cv, but I know there's some other posts in the forum about people doing so without damaging their equipment. If you have the 251 you can always use the mixer to make sure that the voltage doesn't get out of hand. CV signals are just like audio signals except they're below the range of what we can hear so everything used to process audio can process cv and vice-versa.

OysterRock · Post by **OysterRock** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:37 pm

bentropy wrote:I don't have the delay, but I have a question:
Can you send CV through its audio path, to delay CV signals, e.g. echoing the envelope out from the mf-101, and then sending this delay-processed CV on to a CV input somewhere (e.g. 103's sweep control input)? Or will 'bad things' happen?

Can you use audio signals as modulators in Moogerland? This seems unlikely, but this is possible in Nord Modularland (I know its apples and oranges...but just thought I'd ask)
thanks,
bentropy

One thing to keep in mind is the bandwidth of the delay. I don't know if the delayed audio output of 104z will pass a low frequency control voltage simply because the bandwidth of the BBD chips is finite and won't pass frequencies above (and maybe below) a certain amount.

hmmm...I have a 104z, I'll try it when I get a chance.

theglyph · Post by **theglyph** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:30 pm

It would be interesting to try sending a short S & H signal through the delay to control the pitch of say the Voyager creating an arpeggiated type of pattern.

I've never thought of using the delay to process CV's!

asd · Post by **asd** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:08 pm

Great point about the bandwidth. I hadn't thought about that at all.

OysterRock · Post by **OysterRock** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:37 pm

So I tried out running CVs through the 104z last night. After a bit of level adjusting you can actually get quite decent results with an LFO or envelope through the delay. There was a lot of waveform distortion and some seriously funky results with the envelope (I used the MF101's envelope, not an ADSR or anything yet). Not sure what is causing this, but the results were still very cool! Especially something like adjusting the frequency of a square LFO for some crazy ping-pong rhythmic CVs.

bentropy · Post by **bentropy** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:36 pm

Yay! So with a CP you could attenuated the signal to bring it in range of a suitable CV. I'm quickly building a collection of Moogerfoogers a MF-101, 103, and a 102 on the way. Next a CP, and I want to get the delay but its a pretty penny. It would be really cool to be able to echo CVs, yeah like a env follower. Can you post some results if you have a chance?
thanx,
bntrpy