LP arrived :)

pureoldsound · Post by **pureoldsound** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:14 pm

Nick Montoya wrote:YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got my two LPs today, number 13 & 14 !!!

Nick give us a comparison (Bass, sounds, modulation) with the voyager/Mini D (if you have one) and the other Moogs you have.....

Kevin Lightner · Post by **Kevin Lightner** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:20 am

I've never touched an LP, but here's my 2 cents.
Take as you will.

No, it is not correct to have analogs a little sharp or flat at the extremes.
Analogs are not "stretched tuned" like pianos.
Tuning is "straight" and each octave played higher should be exactly double the pitch. ie: 110,220,440,880, etc.
In fact, most synths like this usually have a trimmer for hi frequency tracking that attempts to keep the tuning linear very far up in pitch.
This wouldn't be included if it was normal for analogs to be out of tune in only a 3 octave range.
Regardless, it's not normal, but it may be within spec of the LP.
I can't say what tolerance they've tried to attain with the instrument.
Fwiw, I use a custom made crystal based tuner of my own design that is accurate to .001 hz.
For you techs, it's so accurate that it's possible to adjust the phase angle of a stable oscillator against it.

Moog Sources use heated chip technology.
The idea here is that if the circuit is brought to a higher temperature than the outside ambient temperature, the circuit will never be affected by external hot or cold deviations.There's an actual adjustment inside to set this temperature.
It does take a few minutes for everything to stabilize, but on a properly calibrated source, this should take no more than 5 or so minutes.
The problem is that Sources are over 20 years old, the trims may have changed position through vibration, other parts may have deviated since and more likely than any of these, someone may have tweaked the trimmer incorrectly.
Many synths, especially cheaper monosynths, have had previous owners or techs adjust trims they weren't knowledgable about adjusting.
The temp trims are often tweaked and when the owner doesn't know what they affect, they move on to another believing they put the trim back to the exact same spot, which is usually impossible by sight or feel.
It is not possible to mark these trims with a pen or pencil mark and replace them where they should be.

Properly calibrating a Source does not take just a couple of mins, at least for me.
There are a LOT of adjustments inside and not only must they be performed in the proper sequence, they must be adjusted only after the chip temperature is verified or set.
Setting the temp trimmer is not easy at all. The room temperature must first be measured, then entered into a formula to arrive at the proper setting of this trim.
It can take me about an hour to get a Source completely calibrated properly from scratch and often the patches must be fine tuned and rewritten back to memory.
The room temperature should not vary during this period either.
Sources that take a long time to come into tune usually indicates that the temp trim is set too low. The Source can get quite hot around the power supply and with the temp trim set low, this heat can send the unit out of tune over time.
This is one of those things where an owner who has experience with only one example of an instrument has no reference for how things should be.
They assume all instruments are like theirs and only by comparing to other units can they gain insight as to what's normal or not. This is evidenced by the posts here where one person claims theirs is in tune immediately and others cite 20-30 mins for theirs.
I've been lucky (or deranged) enough to compare so many units that I know what correct is or isn't, but this is pretty hard if you've only played one unit.
Anyways, I didn't come here to ruffle any feathers, but I can't stand seeing rumors thrown around either.

analogbass · Post by **analogbass** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:09 am

It's worth having an analog serviced by someone who knows what they are doing, to get it right, even if it means shipping it elsewhere.

marcmodulator · Post by **marcmodulator** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 4:47 am

Well, I got # 86 today I all I have to say is thank you Bob...This is the coolest looking mono to come out EVER...I have been playing all day with this and the Fat Controller and the CP 251 and I have been getting the best modular and mono analog sounds you can wish for...I am gonna spend many days with this synth...More news to come...Word.

stevied · Post by **stevied** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:08 pm

could someone who has one please say a bit about the velocity sensitive feature? I have not been lucky anough to play a moog that is velocity sensitive. I hear the voyager is. talk to me (please)

Concept · Post by **Concept** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:02 pm

I just got the phone call!

My LP is finally being shipped to me!

I was told that I should have it by Thursday.....can't wait....now the days will go by even slower! LoL

I will definitly let you guys know my feelings on the LP when I get a chance to give it a test run.

Talk soon....

stevied · Post by **stevied** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:27 am

I just recieved my phone call too.

from humbucker music in georgia, I'll call them tomorrow to arrange details!!!

sweet!!

yowzer · Post by **yowzer** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:42 am

#79 has found a home in Brooklyn (via analoguehaven) and it is a solid, beautiful, and well thought-out piece of gear. The simplicity really helps me approach it and start to tinker. Also, they seem to have been designing with working stage situations in mind.

MC · Post by MC » Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:42 pm

Kevin, thanks for the tips on trimming the temp comp on the Source.

Mine has been dodgy and I bought new trimpots last year to put them in, but job search and that damn flood put that project off. When I find another place to settle into, I'm diving into that project.

stevied · Post by **stevied** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:59 pm

my number 93 left humbucker music today, I'll get it friday, they also got #2, 91 and 92.

voltergeist · Post by **voltergeist** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:44 am

stevied wrote:my number 93 left humbucker music today, I'll get it friday, they also got #2, 91 and 92.

Yep, #2 was sent on its way to me yesterday. Anybody ordered a hard-case yet?

stevied · Post by **stevied** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:18 am

nope, humbucker offered the gig bag, But This wont be leaving my apartment anytime soon so not needed for now.

I bought an EP1, and will be setting up my stand, (with my source also on it) amp and drum machine in anticipation.

Concept · Post by **Concept** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:51 am

Hey Guys,

I just received my LP today!!

#103 has found a home here in Northern Va near DC.

I had it delivered to me at work and it arrived in pristine condition.

Oh man is this gonna be a looooong day; I can't wait to get home and tweek this bad boy!

I can tell you this much, the LP feels wonderful, looks beautiful, and is built like a tank!

Thank you Bob!

I'll post more once I've had the chance to tweek this guy in my studio a bit.....

Ez,
George / Concept

Dubchild · Post by **Dubchild** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:28 pm

I just got my call from Nova Musik. Mine is on the way!!!!!!
I'll let you know SN and my impression when I get it!!!

Concept · Post by **Concept** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:00 pm

Ok peoples.....

I have finally had the chance to check out my LP!

All I can say is......WOW!!

I think I'm in love. LoL

The keys are awesome, the knobs are wonderful, and the interface is easy to navigate.

I was able to get up and running in no time!

As well, I created some insane sounds that were quite impressive within the first hour.

The LP is definitly designed with the performer in mind and that magical connection is instantaniously there!

Can't wait to sequence with the LP and then run it through some outboard FX!

Alright, gotta go......it's hard to stay away!

George / Concept

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