Suggestion: 3 voice polyphonic analog Moog

[Jaycee_NL]

Well, I clearly do not agree with one oscillator. 2 oscillators are a must for me
Actually all I need is a 3 voice Subsequent 25. The keyboard isn’t even needed
For many (house/techno) producers that would be awesome

Maybe some kind of custom shop would be nice to serve the needs of many choose number of oscillators, choose number of lfo’s, choose number of keys (0-61) etc

[Jaycee_NL]

So now the excellent Subsequent 25 is discontinued and the new Messenger is on the market, but without the 3 voice polyphony that I and many others really need to have a workable workflow for house, techno and dub-techno (because we need to be able to make basic chords).

I cannot get the sound of a Moog Subsequent 25 from any of the soft synths that I have (like Serum-2 etc) in an appropriate way. Even if you would get close to the sound, physical knobs are really needed.

So I am repeating my appeal to have a 3 voice polyphonic synth made. Basically all we need in this genre is a synth like the Subsequent 25 but 3 voice polyphony (and no keyboard is needed). Just a sound engine like the Minitaur, because in these genres everyone uses a DAW for sequencing and effects.

I am pretty sure that, next to the sound capabilities, it will also be commercially interesting.

[VCO]

You could get a Sequential PRO 3. It’s not polyphonic but it’s paraphonic. Itsthreevoice paraphonic. Has three different filters. prophet 6 and OB6 and a ladder filter.

[VCO]

Maybe a Moog Matriarch . 4 voice paraphonic.

[analogmonster]

...but without the 3 voice polyphony that I and many others really need to have a workable workflow for house, techno and dub-techno...

Like me. I use 3 voice polyphony for my house, dub and techno stuff es well.

...Even if you would get close to the sound, physical knobs are really needed.

Exactly. It is like touching a real human face instead of touching an empty mask.

I am pretty sure that, next to the sound capabilities, it will also be commercially interesting.

<start of rant mode>

Forget it. Moog does not care what customers want (LOL). My personal impression is that they define product lines more according to the optimum of slicing and selling the brand image with the easiest way of production of instruments

My favorite examples are the modular systems. People begged for more modules, more concepts, more configuration possibilities for so many years. Moog ignored that, for a reason at least unknown for me. And the modules are really really easy to build, good handling, fantastic sound, with a good cost to win ratio. No chance.

I spoke with two hardware developers who had worked for Bob Moog. They made improvement suggestions for some of the hardware problems of the later keyboard synthesizers, but he ignored that and kept his product policy not looking to the left and the right.

Not to be misunderstood, I admire Bob for his genious mind and pioneer work in synthesizer technologies, and following a straight way in implementing a new technology was the only way of establishing this in music in my opinion, but the Moog company missed the change to more customer orientation unfortunately.

You could get a Sequential PRO 3. It’s not polyphonic but it’s paraphonic. Itsthreevoice paraphonic. Has three different filters. prophet 6 and OB6 and a ladder filter.

And that's exactly the point! The generic consequence is that customers and musicians look to the left and the right if the Moog company doesn't. They buy products of other brands which offer the synths they want...

</end of rant mode>

[Jaycee_NL]

Hi Analogmonster, good to see you confirming my suggestion/request. Indeed at this moment house, techno and dub-techno producers have to find other ways to create their sounds, which is not always so easy. I have recorded single notes from my Subsequent 25 and mixed them together to create triads, which takes ages I have used synths from Sequential and other brands.
But I am posting this because it seems only Moog can deliver what we really need: a desktop like version of the Subsequent 25 with 3 voice polyphony. Not paraphony as suggested here above, but real polyphony. I like your rant and feel a bit the same, it a kind of frustrating: Moog clearly has the knowledge and the skills but focuses on other things. Hopefully they will have time not too far from now to make the BEAST that we and many others need!

[analogmonster]

I have recorded single notes from my Subsequent 25 and mixed them together to create triads, which takes ages

Aah, that must be annoying

Moog clearly has the knowledge and the skills but focuses on other things. Hopefully they will have time not too far from now to make the BEAST that we and many others need!

I went another way. I analyzed the "secrets" of the Moog sounds and technology and cloned the Moog System 55 modular system. I was always fascinated by modular systems (as I posted above), especially the Moog ones, so I decided to "look under the skirt" of the technical concepts:

See Analogmonster System 55 for details.

I was and I still am pissed of being dependent on faulty concepts of others, especially brands and companies, so I decided to build the instruments I need. Of course I know that this is not the solution for everyone as you have to be a kind of mad scientific electronic engineer with an insane brain to do so. But the point is that it does not make sense to wait (at least in my opinion) but to organize a solution around the problem.

But I am posting this because it seems only Moog can deliver what we really need: a desktop like version of the Subsequent 25 with 3 voice polyphony. Not paraphony as suggested here above, but real polyphony.

I did not find any schematics of the Subsequent, but the block diagram shows a sub osc addition to make the sound more fat. I can't find the filter topology here though. As I never played a Subsequent I can't say anything about the look, hear and feel of it. Using a set of 3 Subsequents driven by a poly MIDI controller might be a solution, but is a waste of money and features I'd say.

So as VCO suggested, a look for alternatives might be helpful.