moogerfooger 104sd overload?

[cpt nevo]

i looked for this thread before asking (i thought i remembered seeing it):

has anyone with a 104sd experienced the phenomenon wherein it stops working? dry sound comes out but no sign of the effect. then you can unplug/replug and it's fine?

it's happened a few times to me, mostly when i'm running the feedback really heavy with an ebow (which seems to have a higher output than, say , strumming/picking) ....

just curious, as it's a bit of an annoyance.

another annoyance (pls. lemme know if you've experienced this):

the expression pedal on the mix parameter goes some clumisly from *all dry* to somewhat wet ... that is, it's nto a very smooth transition. is that just the quality of the exp pedal?

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also, if anyone has a super-basic cv explanation/guide for the non-analog-synth crowd (i.e. me), that'd be cool.

lastly, i'd welcome set-up/routing suggestions that anyone might have.

thanks.

[analoghaze]

when i'm running the feedback really heavy with an ebow (which seems to have a higher output than, say , strumming/picking) ....

The Moog can definataly handle the levels that your guitar or just about anything that is thrown at it. Even in both the input and output knobs are maxed out and the clip LED is blaze red. The moog will take it.


What type of power supply do u use, and what else is plugged into it?
When this happened was it always in the same outlet?

you can unplug/replug and it's fine?

Unplug what, the power or the instrument?

[analoghaze]

just the quality of the exp pedal?

What expression pedal are you using?
It should definataly be a smooth transaction.

set-up/routing suggestions

What else are you using?

[asd]

i'm a guitarist and i've noticed all of the same "problems" with my 104sd too. the fact that the whole "wet"/effected sound just disappears until i unplug the power and plug it back in kinda has me worried, like something else is wrong or the problem might develop into something worse. (i'm probably just paranoid because the thing was so expensive). first time it happened i was pretty freaked out though...

i've tried out different things, but there's not one thing that i will do that will cause it do stop outputting the wet signal everytime i do it. (hopefully that sentence made sense)


i've noticed the not 100% smooth "mix" transitions with both the 102 and 104 that i have. it's close enough for me, but when i really crank my amp it's more noticable (but it happens when i use an expression pedal or tweak the knob by hand). especially with the gate thing the 102 has.


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other issue i've noticed is that depending on whether or not i have the pedal on or bypassed, the "drive" light will be more red or green depending on which light is on below (green/on or red/bypassed). so it's harder to get an accurate feel for where to set the drive knob. not an issue with my 102. anyone noticed this with their sd (or z)?

[opeth_669]

Both my SD's are fine. Though I've only played them occasionally since I got them because I'm waiting for a new amp and I loathe my practise amp. I almost always have the feedback at just under seven (ie. before self occilation) and nothing bad's happpend.

I don't use an expression pedal for anything yet, but the mix control knob on both works perfect.

Maybe contact Moog? afterall you're still under warranty.

[ikazlar]

Hm

do the Zs exhibit similar behavior? I am going to use mine with synths.

[cpt nevo]

>The Moog can definitely handle the levels that your guitar
it's a working theory (hence the thread) as the two times it's happened, those seemed to be the conditions. with all respect, what makes you so sure of the above-quoted info? to me, anyhow, it seems conceivable (though unfortunate) that it has some form of internal overload shut-off that's reset by termination/reconnection of the power supply?

>What type of power supply do u use, and what else is plugged into it?
6-input surge protector into standard wall outlet. not sure if you mean something else here. other than the 104sd, my amp was plugged into it.

>When this happened was it always in the same outlet?
yes.

>What expression pedal are you using?
moog new exp1 or whatever it's called. this part i *may* have solved, as i realized last night that the pedal-pot for the mix parameter was very slightly on ... which may've contributed to that little jump i was hearing at the wet/dry nexus. i'll check that tonight, though.

>It should definitely be a smooth transaction.
transition?

>plug/unplug
unplug/plug the pedal power supply jack from the pedal itself. when i do as much, the effect returns to normal function normal. there isn't an interruption of anything else connected to the gtr in any way.

>>set-up/routing suggestions
>What else are you using?
i was asking more generally. just curious how folks're getting the most of this pedal. thanks.

i need to more closely observe the conditions of the malfunction. obviously.

i appreciate analoghaze's attempts to help to troubleshoot, but it would seem that you haven't experienced the problem ....

asd, we've clearly hit upon the smae thing, as your description sounds extremely familiar. i was horrified ... thinking i'd fried this absurdly expensive thing.

if anyone else (in addition to asd) experiences this, please feel free to add info.

i'll post again when i have more info.

thanks.

[OLFAudio]

I can confirm the lack of Delay output on occasion with my two SDs. It only seems to happen for me when they have been left on for long periods of time (usually days.) Have not had the problem for a while though.


Don't have a real solution for the problem other than unplugging.

[cpt nevo]

I can confirm the lack of Delay output on occasion with my two SDs. It only seems to happen for me when they have been left on for long periods of time (usually days.) Have not had the problem for a while though.

not the case with mine. generally, it's only been on for 15-20 minutes each time. dang. thanks.[/quote]

[Deathbycalculator]

Now I use my 104sd with guitar using an ebow with the drive about at 11 oclock and the output to about 2 oclock and I never had a problem but I have heard of the same thing with someone using the first batch of 104's. Also when you plug/ unplug your power connecter do you do it as follows- plug in the power connector on the delay and then plug the wall wart into a power strip or wall outlet. The manual explains to do this and if not you may have problems like you said. Also do you have this problem without the CV pedal plug into the mix jack on the delay. If all is true i would send it in, there is no point in putting it off.

[Deathbycalculator]

To asd, my 104sd does the same thing when I hit bypass depending on how I have the drive knob set the input level led will get red or more red. If it was say yellow or greenish-yellow when it was active. That worried me a little but it doesn't do anything audible that I can notice.

[asd]

after a little more experimenting i was able to figure out what caused my pedal to stop outputting the wet signal. if i plugged/unplugged cables into/from the "loop in" and "loop out" jacks sometimes the echoes would cut out and sometimes there would be some noise like plugging in a guitar with your amp on (and this was when the pedal was set to "internal loop" not "external loop"). i've had the wet signal cut out at other times, but this was the only way i was able to reproduce the problem.

Also when you plug/ unplug your power connecter do you do it as follows- plug in the power connector on the delay and then plug the wall wart into a power strip or wall outlet. The manual explains to do this and if not you may have problems like you said.

i usually plug first into the pedal, then into my powerbar and then turn the powerbar on. but i tried the way you suggested and couldn't get any wet signal at all when i did. only when i connected/disconnected the power supply on the back of the pedal did i get any echoes

To asd, my 104sd does the same thing when I hit bypass depending on how I have the drive knob set the input level led will get red or more red. If it was say yellow or greenish-yellow when it was active. That worried me a little but it doesn't do anything audible that I can notice.

i definitely don't think this is a problem, just the lights kind of bleeding/blurring into each other. it does make it tougher to set the drive right though, especially if you're overdriving or distorting your signal at all.