RE: Mini / Multi - Home Recording (FX)?

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Re: RE: Mini / Multi - Home Recording (FX)?

Post by monsterjazzlicks » Mon Jun 15, 2015 4:50 pm

Alien,
thealien666 wrote:Everyone knows that pros use a Mac... (just kidding :lol: )

I've worked with a PC on Win XP for many years to record my drumming videos, without too many problems, until I switched to a Mac about 5 years ago (should have done that earlier).
Since then, smooth sailing all the way...
Well you know the damn issues I have had with PC's since day one, I wish I had just paid the extra (10 x years ago and gone MAC). I was looking at a MAC PRO BOOK last week but it was 1,999GBP. Plus I am aged 46 now and too long in the tooth to be switching. If I could turn back the clock then I would never have gone down the PC route. But when at college with little funds, Win XP was the only affordable option.

Ta,

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Re: RE: Mini / Multi - Home Recording (FX)?

Post by thealien666 » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:16 pm

I'll turn 50 next week, and I switched when I was 45. So, it's never too late to do the right thing... :lol:
But it's true that Macs are usually somewhat expensive, and that's why I went for a Mac Mini Unibody (I already had the monitor, USB keyboard, and USB mouse).
Of course I would have liked to get a top-of-the-line iMac instead, but my "finances" didn't allow it... :mrgreen:
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Re: RE: Mini / Multi - Home Recording (FX)?

Post by monsterjazzlicks » Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:24 pm

Alien,
thealien666 wrote:I'll turn 50 next week, and I switched when I was 45. So, it's never too late to do the right thing. But it's true that Macs are usually somewhat expensive, and that's why I went for a Mac Mini Unibody (I already had the monitor, USB keyboard, and USB mouse).
Of course I would have liked to get a top-of-the-line iMac instead, but my "finances" didn't allow it.
Yeh man, sounds like you made the right move!

To be honest with my current (lack of!) level of computer skills, I simply could not justify making such a purchase. Though as I say, in hindsight, I wish I had started out with MAC 15 x years ago considering the money I have wasted on PC (problems!).

I found a YAMAHA DX21 patch I programmed/recorded last year in CUBASE. I applied DELAY with a certain amount of PRE-DELAY TIME (can't remember the amount of ms). This is, typically, the kind of thing I am always hearing in my head (it's only about half a minute long but I am sure you will instantly grasp what you might term as being my bag!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjMUXf4-vZk

Basically, it's just a quick blow over C MIXOLYDIAN (mode).

Cheers,

Paul

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Re: RE: Mini / Multi - Home Recording (FX)?

Post by monsterjazzlicks » Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:17 pm

Howdy there Mark,

Are you over in Arizona land? Cool!

Such a superb answer here as you offer an insight into your (albeit condensed) whole working procedure! Very inspiring and so thank you.
DonutDude wrote:I almost always add a little reverb to enhance a synth's sound. I choose a reverb I like and record it directly on the track with the instrument. Lots of recording engineers record the dry synth and wet reverb signals to different tracks but I've found what works for me is to find the reverb I like and then that combination of reverb and synth becomes the sound of my instrument on that track (I don't use a computer for recording, if I did I might do things differently). I use two digital muli-effects units for my reverbs but there are sweet analog reverbs out there as well.
I have a hardware LEXICON MX200 (model I think it is). It's the one with MEMORY and LED. I bought it for VOCAL's (during a duo a contract I was doing with a dodgey/cheesy duo playing in a Spanish hotel in Palma!). Anyway, so you record the INSTRUMENT and REVERB directly together? If an engineer was to, as you say, record a DRY and WET signal in the same PASS, then would the SYNTHESIZER need to have TWO separate OUTPUTS (one going into the FX UNIT then to the MIXER, and the other going straight to the MIXER?)?
DonutDude wrote:I have other hardware effects - delay, ring mod, murf, freqbox, flanger, pitch shifter, phaser, and distortion, but they don't get used very often in my current style of writing. Usually I'll be messing around with an effect and if I find something I like, I track it and then design a song around it. Again, for me, it is easier to find an effect I like and add it to the track with the synth when recording, therefore becoming the new sound of that synth. Does that make sense?
Ok, so you noodle around feeding your SYNTH thru various hardware FX. Then, when you have found one you like (ie. it INSPIRES musical ideas, you jam/compose a song/groove around the ambience of the FX. In other words, the FX (unit) is almost a CO-COMPOSER! The result is that the FX is an intrinsic/integral (call it what you will) part of the finished (composite) timbre. That is how I interpret what you are describing.
DonutDude wrote:When starting out I spent a lot of months researching the best ways to record. I tried to figure out how compression and EQ worked, and I tried to emulate what the pros did. Eventually I decided to just do what sounded good to me. The research is definately beneficial, but don't get caught up in it all. I'm a hobbyist like yourself, not a professional recording engineer.
Great point. I admit to being somewhat overwhelmed by the daunting task of trying to understand EVERYTHING! I have found that in the last 4 x years (basically since I bought CUBASE) I my workflow has been very UNPRODUCTIVE (apart from my growing interest in FM SYNTHESIS). Pre-CUBASE, I would spent months transcribing Chick Corea solo's and writing out big band compositions etc. But over the past 2/3 x years I have been stuck in something of a musical rut and you just end up getting NOTHING done!

Anyway, study-wise, I have the two books MIXING SECRETS (Mike Senior) and POWER TOOLS OF CUBASE (L. Hepworth). Though they have been sat on the bookshelf for 18 x months unread! However, as I mentioned, my focus of recent has been very much on the DX7.

Cheers,

Paul

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Re: RE: Mini / Multi - Home Recording (FX)?

Post by atomicsynth » Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:28 pm

thealien666 wrote:
BTW, on a Mac, you need to use the "Audio MIDI Set-up" app (found in utilities directory) to be able to change the default sampling rate input of the Mac from 44K 16 bits to 96K 32 bits floating.
And of course you need to set Audacity (or your favorite DAW) to work with the same resolution internally. :wink:
Careful, don't tell this guy audacity is freeware. He already thinks dragging a freeware VST to the Steinberg folder will make him format his box again because it's freeware.

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Re: RE: Mini / Multi - Home Recording (FX)?

Post by atomicsynth » Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:43 pm

monsterjazzlicks wrote: I very much worry about downloading FREEWARE as I have had to have both my Win7 and Win8 REFORMATTED at least 3 x times each, and so last month I kind of vowed not to INSTALL anything which was not a PAID PURCHASE from a recognised company. This may sound a bit extreme I know, but I can't deal with taking anymore risks. Plus I just laid out over 200GBP on an INTERNAL SSD.

I have only ever recorded DRY and then I decide if I am to add any FX upon listening to the playback. Personally, from what my ears tell me, if you are performing LEAD LINE stuff on the MULTI, then this can have a tendency to sound a little nasily/reedy in isolation. So I am sure it would benefit from something added.
If you think a freeware VST can hurt your box, I'm sorry, but you're misinformed, with all due respect. You simply delete the vst from the folder. I cannot say why you had to format your box in past. I suggest you make a Slipstream restore image with your drivers and all OS patches Have your data backed up at all times, of course. You can then re-do your box to clean state anytime.

That guy I linked you to is highly regarded as a developer. Boot EQ and his bus compressor are better than many commercial plugins, but whatever you prefer, most assuredly.

Good luck with your efforts.Paul, and I apologise for my too short natured of this evening initial response.
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Re: RE: Mini / Multi - Home Recording (FX)?

Post by MRNUTTY » Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:09 pm

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Re: RE: Mini / Multi - Home Recording (FX)?

Post by thealien666 » Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:14 pm

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Re: RE: Mini / Multi - Home Recording (FX)?

Post by atomicsynth » Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:33 pm

Sure, consider it edited. Long day and all that...You're right
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Re: RE: Mini / Multi - Home Recording (FX)?

Post by atomicsynth » Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:53 pm

But seriously, you can delete any VST from the VST folder at anytime, rescan the plugins with the host application and it's gone. Period. Doesn't do a thing to the box.

And "Reaper" is still quasi freeware. Audacity is freeware.The Galaxy S6 in my pocket is Android, which is freeware. Linux is freeware.

I should have worded my post in this thread differently, which has now been fixed as it was quick of me initially, with no disrespect truly intended to Paul, who I tried to help initially with quantified advice.

Have a good night.

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Re: RE: Mini / Multi - Home Recording (FX)?

Post by MRNUTTY » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:23 am

@atomicsynth, understood - everyone deserves a break. From what I've read, you've been at this game a long time. I'm sure you'll be an invaluable member. Here's to a better day for everyone :-)
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Post by atomicsynth » Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:12 am

@MrNutty. thanks!

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Re: RE: Mini / Multi - Home Recording (FX)?

Post by thealien666 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:56 am

Yeah, we all have days like that. All is forgotten. I'll edit my previous message like it never happened. Cheers atomicsynth ! :D
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Re: RE: Mini / Multi - Home Recording (FX)?

Post by DonutDude » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:14 pm

I have a hardware LEXICON MX200 (model I think it is). It's the one with MEMORY and LED. I bought it for VOCAL's (during a duo a contract I was doing with a dodgey/cheesy duo playing in a Spanish hotel in Palma!). Anyway, so you record the INSTRUMENT and REVERB directly together? If an engineer was to, as you say, record a DRY and WET signal in the same PASS, then would the SYNTHESIZER need to have TWO separate OUTPUTS (one going into the FX UNIT then to the MIXER, and the other going straight to the MIXER?)?
Hi Paul,
Here's how I have things routed: I connect all of my synthesizers to a Mackie LM-3204 mixer. The mixer has 4 aux inputs/outputs that I use for my effect sends. I have my Lexicon MX300 on one aux in, another multi-effect unit on another aux, a few pedal effects on a third aux, and on the fourth aux I have a phaser and a Sherman Filterbank connected. What that means is I can choose any synthesizer running into the mixer and apply any one of those effects using the aux inputs without unplugging things every time I want to try something new. Stereo outputs from the mixer run straight into my Korg D1600mkII digital recorder. If you have an audio interface connected to your computer then you would run the mixer outs directly into that.

I do it this way because I have a lot of hardware synths and don't want to be messing with hooking up and unhooking cables when I am in a creative moment. If you are using only one keyboard you can connect it directly to the FX unit and then the FX unit outs go directly to your recorder or audio interface. The Lexicon unit you have has a dry/wet knob to vary how much reverb or effect you want to apply to the keyboard's original sound.
Ok, so you noodle around feeding your SYNTH thru various hardware FX. Then, when you have found one you like (ie. it INSPIRES musical ideas, you jam/compose a song/groove around the ambience of the FX. In other words, the FX (unit) is almost a CO-COMPOSER! The result is that the FX is an intrinsic/integral (call it what you will) part of the finished (composite) timbre. That is how I interpret what you are describing.
Exactly, I sit down and start playing or turning dials until something inspires me. I rarely wake up in the middle of the night with an idea in my head, and those times when I do I just go back to sleep. Inspiration has to hit me when I'm darn well rested and willing to listen to it! :)
But over the past 2/3 x years I have been stuck in something of a musical rut and you just end up getting NOTHING done!
I can definitely relate to that. I'm trying to finish another album in the next few months but can't seem to even get started on it. A couple years ago I came up with an idea to help me "get back in the game". You can read about it at my bandcamp page if you're interested (link below). "Vacation Tracks" was the result of that project.

The whole aux thing took me awhile to figure out so don't worry if what I said above makes no sense. Download some .pdf manuals of mixers. They ususally have diagrams that explain things much better than I can in a few short sentences.

Nice talking to you Paul.
Cheers... (I'm not a Brit, but I like to use that saying sometimes). :)
Mark


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Re: RE: Mini / Multi - Home Recording (FX)?

Post by thealien666 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:30 pm

Using quotes goes like this: the word quote (alone) in between brackets at the beginning, and the word quote (with a backslash in front of it) in between brackets at the end.
So, simply edit your message and remove the backslashes in front of the word quote at the beginning of each quote... :wink:
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