104sd feedback loop question

Duke Foog · Post by **Duke Foog** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:15 pm

just got the 104sd and am loving it, there is however a problem when i run the 102 ring mod into the effects loop. when on the high setting and i crank the frequency i don't get anything. it's like the 104 won't accept these high frequencies or something. anyone else with this problem?

godzilla · Post by **godzilla** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:21 pm

in the long settings the sd thinks it's a low pass filter

try a shorter setting

Duke Foog · Post by **Duke Foog** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:27 pm

cool, thanx man

Brian G · Post by **Brian G** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:07 pm

As godzila said the SD acts like a Low pass filter shut down in long mode

, cool though.
Try playing in a lower octave and bring the loop mix level up a bit. You can get some really cool things going on

. On the 102 try both lo and Hi Settings, the square wave works really well when in the feed back loop.

Have fun, know I am

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I only briefly played with the MuRF inserted in the loop the other night . lot's of possibilities. I go mine Friday, #169, but haven't had enough time to really work with it yet.
Enjoy
Brian

asd · Post by **asd** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:34 pm

does anyone know if it was intended to work like a low pass filter or if it's more of a design "flaw" (for lack of a better word)? is this because of the lower sound quality in long mode (that ends up cutting out some of the frequency)?

anyone know if the original 104 and the 104z act the same way in long mode?

godzilla · Post by **godzilla** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:55 pm

asd wrote:does anyone know if it was intended to work like a low pass filter or if it's more of a design "flaw" (for lack of a better word)? is this because of the lower sound quality in long mode (that ends up cutting out some of the frequency)?

anyone know if the original 104 and the 104z act the same way in long mode?

I don't really think it's a design flaw
as far as i know the long setting halves the bandwidth to double the delay time (i think) so you loose those higher up freq. i would assume that all the 104s act like this, but maybe the sd does it nore than others as it has the longest delay time (if this is true then other factors must be present that i don't know of as halving the bandwidth should have the smae result on any pedal? hmm not sure)
the fact that the long setting has lower freq response is one of the reasons i chose to spend the extra on the SD, you still get as long as 700ms in the short mode

does anyone know if the long/short settings have the same quality throughout their range or if there is a change that corelates with the position of the delay time knob
? From using the pedal i would say that the second is true but i can't understand why this would be?
If the secong is true at what rate does the response change?

Duke Foog · Post by **Duke Foog** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:32 am

hmm this is something you think should have been in the manual. i found the manual to be better than the manuals for the other pedals though. i really liked the fact that they give you these sample settings. also how to interface it with the other foogers. something that the low pass filter and ring mod manuals should have really done. it took me awhile before i figured out the control voltage patching stuff.

i've been jonesing for a super long digital delay that i could do sound on sound looping with, so as soon as i got this thing i tried to do some of that. you wouldn't thing that 1.4 seconds is really that much. but still works nice for some quick loops. too bad that we can't put those high ring mod frequencies in the long mode though.

asd · Post by **asd** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:32 am

yeah, "flaw" wasn't the best word choice. i guess intentional/unintentional was the distinction i was looking for. like, did they specifically intend for it to act like a lpf or was that just an unintend result of the way the technology ended up working out.

i'm with duke foog though, i'm intending to use it for some looped stuff (with a ring mod in the loop) so having some/all of the highs cut out is kind of a bummer