Hi all, i recently got a cluster flux, the first was faulty and received the replacement unit which is great.Yesterday i got the MF 104M which is amazing, the issue(if it is one?) is that the clusterflux is quite a bit more hissy than the delay. i straight A'B'd them with same drive and output setting and it seems this is the case.I wouldnt say it unbearbly loud, i didnt really notice till i got the delay, but now i have noticed it its bugging me in case its faulty again. does anyone have both pedals to check? Maybe its just the way they are, which is fine, just want to make sure they are perfect after spending almost a grand!
Thanks people!
Patrick
Clusterflux noisier than MF 104M
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Re: Clusterflux noisier than MF 104M
What sort of amp or mixer are you running it through?
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Re: Clusterflux noisier than MF 104M
Hi Stephen
Just running it into my Audio Kitchen Little Chopper guitar amp.The amp itself is not very noisy at all...
Just running it into my Audio Kitchen Little Chopper guitar amp.The amp itself is not very noisy at all...
Re: Clusterflux noisier than MF 104M
Hey Patrick,
Did you read my response on the other thread comparing the 103 to the 108M?
I think the 108 is noisier because of the chips that were chosen in the ClusterFlux.
The Delay's chips are noted for their low noise. Chorus/Flange BBDs can be much noisier since they perform such short delay times and are being pushed to their limits inside the flux. Actually, I really can't confirm that . .. but what I will say is that the Cluster/Flux is pushing the chip or chips to such extremes that when you are using a large amount of time modulation and lfo modulation you will get hiss. That was my experience . .. I owned no. 28 (I think . . .) but I sold it to raise money for my PVCE.
I actually loved the lushness of the chorus and the flange, and if I can come up with the scrillah I will buy another. So to clarify it wasn't noisy in my experience if I kept the time modulation low (12 o'clock and less) and the LFO amount at 9 o'clock or less.
As has been noted in a previous post, there is a slot for yet another chip inside the pedal. I wonder if the extra chip would allow for less noise or add more. I contacted Moog about adding another chip to my old one, and was told it was possible. The guy I spoke to told me that he would be in touch with me about details . . . but I found out later that he no longer works for MM so I'm not sure if it's something they would be able or willing to do.
Did you read my response on the other thread comparing the 103 to the 108M?
I think the 108 is noisier because of the chips that were chosen in the ClusterFlux.
The Delay's chips are noted for their low noise. Chorus/Flange BBDs can be much noisier since they perform such short delay times and are being pushed to their limits inside the flux. Actually, I really can't confirm that . .. but what I will say is that the Cluster/Flux is pushing the chip or chips to such extremes that when you are using a large amount of time modulation and lfo modulation you will get hiss. That was my experience . .. I owned no. 28 (I think . . .) but I sold it to raise money for my PVCE.
I actually loved the lushness of the chorus and the flange, and if I can come up with the scrillah I will buy another. So to clarify it wasn't noisy in my experience if I kept the time modulation low (12 o'clock and less) and the LFO amount at 9 o'clock or less.
As has been noted in a previous post, there is a slot for yet another chip inside the pedal. I wonder if the extra chip would allow for less noise or add more. I contacted Moog about adding another chip to my old one, and was told it was possible. The guy I spoke to told me that he would be in touch with me about details . . . but I found out later that he no longer works for MM so I'm not sure if it's something they would be able or willing to do.
Re: Clusterflux noisier than MF 104M
Mine has a 60 hz hum allot of the time, very sensitive to ground loops. I think a power supply filter would help immensely. Have not got round to building one yet but I plan too.
As for the hiss you have to be creative with impedance matching. In this respect the drive knob is the key. Turning down the output and turn up the drive until you get a satisfactory noise floor you can live with. Like the previous post stated the noise floor of the transistors in these chips is high and perhaps they are on the bleeding edge of their switching ability stability wise. That's vintage electronics generally. I think it's and effect best applied subtly unless otherwise wacky artifacts build interest in otherwise bland overused same same fx sounds.
I think the Midi delay doe's a much nicer chorus generally that thing is just sweet and creamy. Bottom line though they are very dissimilar fx engines and that's the point of having both a chorus and delay instead of a combination of the two.
I be a lot happier with mine when and if I get rid of the mains hum, very irritating that is a design flaw in my estimation, completely avoidable especially in such and expensive unit.
As for the hiss you have to be creative with impedance matching. In this respect the drive knob is the key. Turning down the output and turn up the drive until you get a satisfactory noise floor you can live with. Like the previous post stated the noise floor of the transistors in these chips is high and perhaps they are on the bleeding edge of their switching ability stability wise. That's vintage electronics generally. I think it's and effect best applied subtly unless otherwise wacky artifacts build interest in otherwise bland overused same same fx sounds.
I think the Midi delay doe's a much nicer chorus generally that thing is just sweet and creamy. Bottom line though they are very dissimilar fx engines and that's the point of having both a chorus and delay instead of a combination of the two.
I be a lot happier with mine when and if I get rid of the mains hum, very irritating that is a design flaw in my estimation, completely avoidable especially in such and expensive unit.
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Re: Clusterflux noisier than MF 104M
Thanks everyone for the replies, got the noise to a reasonable level with the controls..
Its a bit of a shame its that noisy really!
thanx again
Its a bit of a shame its that noisy really!
thanx again
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Re: Clusterflux noisier than MF 104M
Hi croyte, yes i read your post.Makes a lot of sense, cheers
Re: Clusterflux noisier than MF 104M
I run all my MoogerFoogers through a Mackie line mixer and then to Mackie HR824 studio monitors. I get no noise at all. I wonder how much of a difference it would make if I ran them through a small guitar amp? It must be very difficult for a company like Moog to design pedals that will work well in all systems...
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Re: Clusterflux noisier than MF 104M
I run both my MF-104M and MF-108M through an all tube guitar amp or a Mackie mixer, or directly in to a sampler, with guitar and synths as well.
I use well regulated power supply Cioks DC-10. I believe this is a good starting point in order to get rid of the noise from the power supply.
The 108 at extreme settings (high feedback and delay time) it is noisier the the 104.
The noise does not depends on what it is plugged in the in or out, but depends on the settings. The 104M is quiet even at max. delay time.
I use well regulated power supply Cioks DC-10. I believe this is a good starting point in order to get rid of the noise from the power supply.
The 108 at extreme settings (high feedback and delay time) it is noisier the the 104.
The noise does not depends on what it is plugged in the in or out, but depends on the settings. The 104M is quiet even at max. delay time.