A trick to make the Voyager sound better

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Re: A trick to make the Voyager sound better

Post by slirak » Mon May 27, 2013 11:49 am

Voltor07 wrote:It should be an easy switch out. Just remove the LM324N and put the LM837N in its place. :)
So no electrical differences that would require, say, a different resistor value here or another cap value there?
That sounds great! Now I just need to find the time to dig in to my Voyager. Will report back with before and after recordings.

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Re: A trick to make the Voyager sound better

Post by muksys » Mon May 27, 2013 11:57 am

324, 837 & 074 are pin for pin the same. All are interchangeable. Shouldn't need any other changes. Be sure to drop in an IC socket for easy swappage in case it's not to your liking.

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Re: A trick to make the Voyager sound better

Post by slirak » Mon May 27, 2013 1:47 pm

muksys wrote:324, 837 & 074 are pin for pin the same. All are interchangeable. Shouldn't need any other changes. Be sure to drop in an IC socket for easy swappage in case it's not to your liking.
Thanks! Yeah, I certainly will use a socket. If it's not socketed already, I guess I'm gonna have to to take the appropriate board out in order to de-solder the 324. So looks like a project for the upcoming weekend.

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Re: A trick to make the Voyager sound better

Post by slirak » Wed May 29, 2013 7:21 am

It seems this replacement may already be done by a tech, in an (unsuccessful) attempt to solve an issue I'm having with a "crackling" noise.
The replaced opamp is designated U49. Anybody happen to know if that's the opamp we're talking about here?

Thanks!
/Jonas

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Re: A trick to make the Voyager sound better

Post by muksys » Wed May 29, 2013 7:17 pm

I'm out of town ATM, but I'll check when I get home tomorrow night.

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Re: A trick to make the Voyager sound better

Post by slirak » Thu May 30, 2013 6:20 am

muksys wrote:I'm out of town ATM, but I'll check when I get home tomorrow night.
Thanks, great! :)

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Re: A trick to make the Voyager sound better

Post by muksys » Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:17 am

slirak wrote:The replaced opamp is designated U49.
Opened it up last night. Yep, U49 is where I was looking.

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Re: A trick to make the Voyager sound better

Post by slirak » Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:35 am

muksys wrote:
slirak wrote:The replaced opamp is designated U49.
Opened it up last night. Yep, U49 is where I was looking.
OK, thanks a LOT for looking! Saved me a bit of head scratching there... :)

Well, I read somewhere on this forum that three opamps could need replacing, to fix issues with the output section of early models. I'm just gonna have to try and find out which the other two are. If anybody have any ideas, it'd be greatly appreciated!

Anyway, if anyone's gonna do the U49 swap, you might consider changing two resistors too:
http://forum.moogmusic.com/viewtopic.ph ... U49#p34012

Thanks again muksys!
/Jonas

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Re: A trick to make the Voyager sound better

Post by Radl25 » Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:35 am

i´d really like to have a blind test on this with the same volume :)

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Re: A trick to make the Voyager sound better

Post by muksys » Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:51 am

slirak wrote:
muksys wrote:
slirak wrote:The replaced opamp is designated U49.
Opened it up last night. Yep, U49 is where I was looking.
OK, thanks a LOT for looking! Saved me a bit of head scratching there... :)

Well, I read somewhere on this forum that three opamps could need replacing, to fix issues with the output section of early models. I'm just gonna have to try and find out which the other two are. If anybody have any ideas, it'd be greatly appreciated!

Anyway, if anyone's gonna do the U49 swap, you might consider changing two resistors too:
http://forum.moogmusic.com/viewtopic.ph ... U49#p34012

Thanks again muksys!
/Jonas
Just so to be clear, I have no idea if U49 is the IC that was replaced MotneN. The 837 is designed for audio and should be fine. I do not know if earlier voyagers used different IC's and were later changed to the 837, but if your's has the 837 in it already, I'd suggest leaving it, unless it is bad, then swap it out for the same. Plus the resistor change that Amos suggested.

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Re: A trick to make the Voyager sound better

Post by slirak » Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:07 am

muksys wrote:Just so to be clear, I have no idea if U49 is the IC that was replaced MotneN. The 837 is designed for audio and should be fine. I do not know if earlier voyagers used different IC's and were later changed to the 837, but if your's has the 837 in it already, I'd suggest leaving it, unless it is bad, then swap it out for the same. Plus the resistor change that Amos suggested.
Right, maybe MotneN changed another opamp! Would be nice to know which one it was.

I don't know if it was an 837 or 074 in mine to begin with, but the 837 that's in it now is new and the resistors are swapped. This was in an attempt to fix an issue with a 'crackling' noise, sort of like an old vinyl record crackle, or like a mild distortion.

Anyway, the swap didn't fix the issue, that's why I'm anxious to find out which other opamps might be suspected. Not sure it's an issue with an opamp of course, could be a cap perhaps. But an experienced synth tech suggested that it sounded just like a faulty opamp, after hearing a sample. And I know I've seen a post from someone who described the same issue and claimed it was fixed by changing three opamps and a couple of other components.

Can't say I noticed any difference at all after the swap. So maybe it was an 837 in mine to begin with.

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Re: A trick to make the Voyager sound better

Post by MotneN » Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:10 am

slirak wrote:
muksys wrote:Just so to be clear, I have no idea if U49 is the IC that was replaced MotneN. The 837 is designed for audio and should be fine. I do not know if earlier voyagers used different IC's and were later changed to the 837, but if your's has the 837 in it already, I'd suggest leaving it, unless it is bad, then swap it out for the same. Plus the resistor change that Amos suggested.
Right, maybe MotneN changed another opamp! Would be nice to know which one it was.

I don't know if it was an 837 or 074 in mine to begin with, but the 837 that's in it now is new and the resistors are swapped. This was in an attempt to fix an issue with a 'crackling' noise, sort of like an old vinyl record crackle, or like a mild distortion.

Anyway, the swap didn't fix the issue, that's why I'm anxious to find out which other opamps might be suspected. Not sure it's an issue with an opamp of course, could be a cap perhaps. But an experienced synth tech suggested that it sounded just like a faulty opamp, after hearing a sample. And I know I've seen a post from someone who described the same issue and claimed it was fixed by changing three opamps and a couple of other components.

Can't say I noticed any difference at all after the swap. So maybe it was an 837 in mine to begin with.

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Re: A trick to make the Voyager sound better

Post by MotneN » Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:11 am

MotneN wrote:
slirak wrote:
muksys wrote:Just so to be clear, I have no idea if U49 is the IC that was replaced MotneN. The 837 is designed for audio and should be fine. I do not know if earlier voyagers used different IC's and were later changed to the 837, but if your's has the 837 in it already, I'd suggest leaving it, unless it is bad, then swap it out for the same. Plus the resistor change that Amos suggested.
Right, maybe MotneN changed another opamp! Would be nice to know which one it was.

I don't know if it was an 837 or 074 in mine to begin with, but the 837 that's in it now is new and the resistors are swapped. This was in an attempt to fix an issue with a 'crackling' noise, sort of like an old vinyl record crackle, or like a mild distortion.

Anyway, the swap didn't fix the issue, that's why I'm anxious to find out which other opamps might be suspected. Not sure it's an issue with an opamp of course, could be a cap perhaps. But an experienced synth tech suggested that it sounded just like a faulty opamp, after hearing a sample. And I know I've seen a post from someone who described the same issue and claimed it was fixed by changing three opamps and a couple of other components.

Can't say I noticed any difference at all after the swap. So maybe it was an 837 in mine to begin with.

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Re: A trick to make the Voyager sound better

Post by MotneN » Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:17 am

MotneN wrote:
MotneN wrote:
slirak wrote:
muksys wrote:Just so to be clear, I have no idea if U49 is the IC that was replaced MotneN. The 837 is designed for audio and should be fine. I do not know if earlier voyagers used different IC's and were later changed to the 837, but if your's has the 837 in it already, I'd suggest leaving it, unless it is bad, then swap it out for the same. Plus the resistor change that Amos suggested.
Right, maybe MotneN changed another opamp! Would be nice to know which one it was.

I don't know if it was an 837 or 074 in mine to begin with, but the 837 that's in it now is new and the resistors are swapped. This was in an attempt to fix an issue with a 'crackling' noise, sort of like an old vinyl record crackle, or like a mild distortion.

Anyway, the swap didn't fix the issue, that's why I'm anxious to find out which other opamps might be suspected. Not sure it's an issue with an opamp of course, could be a cap perhaps. But an experienced synth tech suggested that it sounded just like a faulty opamp, after hearing a sample. And I know I've seen a post from someone who described the same issue and claimed it was fixed by changing three opamps and a couple of other components.

Can't say I noticed any difference at all after the swap. So maybe it was an 837 in mine to begin with.
Hi again

Only one Opamp was changed ( 074)
I allso put in a new headphone jack socket.. but thats another story

Is this "crackeling noise on both outputs.. Main and Headphone ???
best regards
Morten

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Re: A trick to make the Voyager sound better

Post by nms » Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:23 am

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