Does anyone have any advice for patching the voyager xl. I just got mine and am fairly new to this. I have been trying to use my mf-104z with it but have been getting strange results. I tried using the mix input on the rear panel using a y cable (2 t/s - 1 trs) but it doesn't react like a regular delay would. It only delays within a held note with no spillover or delays once the note is released. Other effects patched that way don't really make much difference to the sound at all. Even the MF-104z is barely effecting the sound much.
I am running it in stereo so I can't use the main outs into the mf-104z unless I only use one. I'd prefer a stereo delay effect to the sound. What other ways are there to patch in guitar effects ect...
Any patching advice is appreciated. So far most of the things I try don't change the sound at all. Should most of what is patched make a strong difference to the sound or is it usually subtle? Is there any video's out there that offer lessons or tutorials into the voyager xl and patching things up.?
I just got mine a few days ago but am worried that I won't know enough to know if it's not working right or not. Like I said sometimes making adjustments don't affect the sound at all, so it seems strange to me.
Patching the Voyager XL
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restlessboy
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Can you be more specific? What exactly are you patching to where?
It's not clear from your post whether you understand the difference between routing audio and patching CV signals.
Your MF should have audio routed through it either before the filter of your Voyager, or at the end of the signal path. This needs to go to the 'audio in' jack.
You should then use the Control Voltage (CV) outs on the patch panel of the XL to control elements of the MF using the CV inputs. The inputs on the back of the MF marked with white boxes are CV inputs. The inputs without white boxes are audio ins and outs.
The 'mix' input on the rear panel is a CV input - so you shouldn't be routing audio there, which is what it sounds like you're doing from your post. You would use this input to, for example, modulate or control how much delay effect you hear blended with the uneffected signal.
Unfortunately for you it looks like the MF104 doesn't have a stereo output.
A good test to ensure everything's working would be to patch the modulation wheel to the delay rate ('time') CV input on the MF so you can speed it up and slow it down.
It's not clear from your post whether you understand the difference between routing audio and patching CV signals.
Your MF should have audio routed through it either before the filter of your Voyager, or at the end of the signal path. This needs to go to the 'audio in' jack.
You should then use the Control Voltage (CV) outs on the patch panel of the XL to control elements of the MF using the CV inputs. The inputs on the back of the MF marked with white boxes are CV inputs. The inputs without white boxes are audio ins and outs.
The 'mix' input on the rear panel is a CV input - so you shouldn't be routing audio there, which is what it sounds like you're doing from your post. You would use this input to, for example, modulate or control how much delay effect you hear blended with the uneffected signal.
Unfortunately for you it looks like the MF104 doesn't have a stereo output.
A good test to ensure everything's working would be to patch the modulation wheel to the delay rate ('time') CV input on the MF so you can speed it up and slow it down.
Re: Patching the Voyager XL
The input on the back panel I'm using is labelled the 'Effects Loop insert Jack' in the manual. The Actual name label is 'Mix-Out Loop'. And I have it hooked up as outlined on page 17 in the XL Manual. http://www.moogmusic.com/sites/default/ ... manual.pdf
I have a basic understanding of the difference between Audio and CV ins/outs, but there are parts of the patching section on the Voyager that confuse me. There aren't any audio in/out on the front panel patching area right?
Other than the way I have the MF hooked up (as identified above), and using the main outputs...Is there any other ways to patch audio in/out into the Voyager xl? Also If I patch using the main outs I won't be able to audition the effected sound through the headphone jack or use effects while playing through headphones.
How are you guys handling effects with your voyagers? Anyone using a post mixer to patch things into, or do you just use the mono out into the effects chain?
I have a basic understanding of the difference between Audio and CV ins/outs, but there are parts of the patching section on the Voyager that confuse me. There aren't any audio in/out on the front panel patching area right?
Other than the way I have the MF hooked up (as identified above), and using the main outputs...Is there any other ways to patch audio in/out into the Voyager xl? Also If I patch using the main outs I won't be able to audition the effected sound through the headphone jack or use effects while playing through headphones.
How are you guys handling effects with your voyagers? Anyone using a post mixer to patch things into, or do you just use the mono out into the effects chain?
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restlessboy
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Re: Patching the Voyager XL
Yes, well that's the right way to patch it. When you said 'mix' in the OP I thought you meant the 'mix' input on the MF.
There are no audio outs on the front panel, that's right.
Generally speaking I'd say the best place for a delay is at the end of the signal path, after the filter - though obviously that's a rule can you feel free to break depending on what you want to achieve.
How well do you know the MF? Did you already have it before you got the XL? Best to test the basic in and out of it before you try and drop it in the spaghetti...
I don't see any reason why you should only be getting subtle effects. Just make sure the drive, output, mix levels are all up on the MF and that it's not bypassed (sorry, these are all basic points - but you did say you were new to this!)
There are no audio outs on the front panel, that's right.
Generally speaking I'd say the best place for a delay is at the end of the signal path, after the filter - though obviously that's a rule can you feel free to break depending on what you want to achieve.
How well do you know the MF? Did you already have it before you got the XL? Best to test the basic in and out of it before you try and drop it in the spaghetti...
I don't see any reason why you should only be getting subtle effects. Just make sure the drive, output, mix levels are all up on the MF and that it's not bypassed (sorry, these are all basic points - but you did say you were new to this!)
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Re: Patching the Voyager XL
I've just posted this in a similar thread.
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Modeerf, I was very unsure you meant this in your other thread.
The insert loop of the Voyager is located between the mixer output and the filter input. What happens with your set up? (I suppose the connections are ok here) When you press a key, the VCA/VCF envelopes are triggered, i.e. open to let the signal through.
When no insert cable is inserted, the said signal is the output of the mixer consisting in the oscillators + external input + noise. But you have to be aware that the oscillators, noise generator and possibliy the external input are permanently running; you can hear them when you press a key only because you open the envelope by pressing a key.
When an insert cable is inserted, the mixer output is sent in the MF-104 or whatever you connected, permanently. That is: if you monitor the signal going out from the MF-104, you'll hear the oscillators droning and echoing. Then when you press a key, that's precisely what you let through.
Setting the VCA on ON rather than KEYBOARD won't help: everything is still free running in to your MF-104.
As a consequence, don't expect to hear any echo after you released a key unless the envelopes (VCA and VCF) have loooong release. Globally, what this is likely to produce (I don't have a Voyager [yet
] ) is echoes only while you are playing a note, or a delayed superposition of oscillators and noise drones.
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Modeerf, I was very unsure you meant this in your other thread.
The insert loop of the Voyager is located between the mixer output and the filter input. What happens with your set up? (I suppose the connections are ok here) When you press a key, the VCA/VCF envelopes are triggered, i.e. open to let the signal through.
When no insert cable is inserted, the said signal is the output of the mixer consisting in the oscillators + external input + noise. But you have to be aware that the oscillators, noise generator and possibliy the external input are permanently running; you can hear them when you press a key only because you open the envelope by pressing a key.
When an insert cable is inserted, the mixer output is sent in the MF-104 or whatever you connected, permanently. That is: if you monitor the signal going out from the MF-104, you'll hear the oscillators droning and echoing. Then when you press a key, that's precisely what you let through.
Setting the VCA on ON rather than KEYBOARD won't help: everything is still free running in to your MF-104.
As a consequence, don't expect to hear any echo after you released a key unless the envelopes (VCA and VCF) have loooong release. Globally, what this is likely to produce (I don't have a Voyager [yet
] ) is echoes only while you are playing a note, or a delayed superposition of oscillators and noise drones.Toxic Overdrive | Minkovski | DNOT | Maetherial | Folie à 6
Re: Patching the Voyager XL
HI Modeerf,
Just confirming what stiiiiiive said. When you use the mixer/out filter in insert cable, you will only here delay while the VCF is open. If you are playing a sound that is short, staccato rather than sustained, then that means that the VCF is closed once the sound stopped, so you won't hear any delay. The only time you will hear delay is when a note is sustaining, so it will be kind of hard to hear in this setup unless you are actively modulating the "Time" or maybe the "Feedback"parameter on the MF. To get the kind of delay that you are probably expecting you will need run the normal audio out into the delay and then run the audio from the delay to whatever amp/mixer/computer you are using. Just to be clear Modeerf, we normally call this stuff "routing", since "patching" refers to creating a sound either by turning knobs on the front panel or by connecting patch chords from CV outs to CV ins. So your post was just a bit confusing at first. . .
As far as the patch bay goes, make sure to read the manual
. The most important rule is to always plug an out to an in. The part of the manual discussing this has some good suggestions for patches to try out that will help you get around it. . .
have fun!!
Just confirming what stiiiiiive said. When you use the mixer/out filter in insert cable, you will only here delay while the VCF is open. If you are playing a sound that is short, staccato rather than sustained, then that means that the VCF is closed once the sound stopped, so you won't hear any delay. The only time you will hear delay is when a note is sustaining, so it will be kind of hard to hear in this setup unless you are actively modulating the "Time" or maybe the "Feedback"parameter on the MF. To get the kind of delay that you are probably expecting you will need run the normal audio out into the delay and then run the audio from the delay to whatever amp/mixer/computer you are using. Just to be clear Modeerf, we normally call this stuff "routing", since "patching" refers to creating a sound either by turning knobs on the front panel or by connecting patch chords from CV outs to CV ins. So your post was just a bit confusing at first. . .
As far as the patch bay goes, make sure to read the manual
. The most important rule is to always plug an out to an in. The part of the manual discussing this has some good suggestions for patches to try out that will help you get around it. . .have fun!!
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Re: Patching the Voyager XL
OK, thanks guys that's been extremely helpful. I have had the MF-104z for some time and used it only for guitar until now. I am pretty confident with it's features as far as using it in guitar chain and using expression pedal to operate the different parameters. But with the XL is a very different thing. There are so many more possibilities.
I have also plugged other effects into the XL the same way and they weren't really as crazy as I was expecting either. Like a foxx tone machine for example. The results were very understated. Perhaps I need to pay more attention to the envelop section when doing this.
I have a EHX stereo memory man w/ hazari that has stereo ins/outs that I am using with the voyagers outputs and it is much closer to what I was expecting it to be. It's all just a matter of understanding how things work, it will take some time and trial and error.
I guess the most confusing thing so far is sometimes I do things with the knobs and cables on the voyager and they have huge effects and sometimes they don't do anything at all. I suppose because I don't really understand it all yet, it seems like somethings not working right. I listen to some of the programmed patches and am perplexed as to how they make those sounds.
Kinda off this topic but does anyone know why none of the presets in my XL match the ones in the manual. Are they just updated on the XL's now. Kinda strange, just curious.
I have also plugged other effects into the XL the same way and they weren't really as crazy as I was expecting either. Like a foxx tone machine for example. The results were very understated. Perhaps I need to pay more attention to the envelop section when doing this.
I have a EHX stereo memory man w/ hazari that has stereo ins/outs that I am using with the voyagers outputs and it is much closer to what I was expecting it to be. It's all just a matter of understanding how things work, it will take some time and trial and error.
I guess the most confusing thing so far is sometimes I do things with the knobs and cables on the voyager and they have huge effects and sometimes they don't do anything at all. I suppose because I don't really understand it all yet, it seems like somethings not working right. I listen to some of the programmed patches and am perplexed as to how they make those sounds.
Kinda off this topic but does anyone know why none of the presets in my XL match the ones in the manual. Are they just updated on the XL's now. Kinda strange, just curious.
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stiiiiiiive
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Re: Patching the Voyager XL
As the Voyager manual says, the knobs interact with each each other and you have to experiment to identify how. That's a fun part in the process, no worriesmodeerf wrote:I guess the most confusing thing so far is sometimes I do things with the knobs and cables on the voyager and they have huge effects and sometimes they don't do anything at all. I suppose because I don't really understand it all yet, it seems like somethings not working right. I listen to some of the programmed patches and am perplexed as to how they make those sounds.
Concerning the MF-104 use, here is my advice: start plugging the XL in it just as you'd plug your guitar, and then add CV cords. That you certainly will obtain results you may be expecting.
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