Now that Moog Music has the new Minimoog Voyager, will they ever produce a more affrodable version of the new Mini? As much as I would love to own a Voyager, they are just out of my price range. Same with the classic Mini. I read somewhere that Moog had produced a more affordable synth with the Micromog. Maybe they could new a new version of the Micromoog? Just a thought. ![]()
I still think a moog-light will be expensive to produce and therefore expensive to buy compared to say a used Roland SH101, SCI Pro~One and VA sizers. But it would be nice if Moog made a sizer with just e.g. one (maybe two) VCO, VCF, LFO, one ADSR no 3D touch surface.
Regards
Demokid
Much though I want less expensive equipment, I cannot see that budget equipment is consistent with the Moog ethos. I suppose itâs like the dream of a cheap BentleyâŚif itâs a Bentley it ainât ever gonna be cheap and if itâs cheap it ainât ever gonna be a Bentley.
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Hmmmm . Moog did it once with the Prodigy. That was a truly affordable synth in the early 1980s. Iâm sure they could do it again now, but it would probably hit Voyager sales if it was priced too cheap and wouldnât sell if it was too expensive. A Prodigy reissue with MIDI woul be a killer synth, and the technology to create one is not expensive. If a standard version was say, $750-$900 and a Signature version with nicer bits of wood and Bobâs magic silver marker pen was $150 more, theyâd sell like hot cakes!!
How about it, Mr. Moog?!
SCx
PS in the UK a nice Bentley T series can be bought at auction for less than £4,000⌠a Royce is even cheaper!
Solution: make more money! ![]()
But seriously folks, we can daydream about Dr. Moog making another synth and make all sorts of guesses as to what it would be like, but itâs not going to happen.
Analogcontrolfreak, the Voyager is not out of your price range. Just sell everything you own! It will be worth it, I promise.
FreqOut
Hey!
Do you have insider info?
The Voyager happened; a genuine mini for the 21st Century, so why not a littler version?
Sundaeclubber, nice point about cheap Bentleys etc. Letâ encourage the good doctor to redouble his efforts while halving his prices!
How are the Cotswolds still sleepy despite all your equipment? ![]()
Iâm just saying âDonât get your hopes upâ.
In recent interviews with Dr. Moog, he says quite plainly that they have no plans for another synth. Donât rule it out, but donât count on it either.
BUT, if you ask me, it will be a duophonic version of the Liberation with built in sequencer AND a vocoder. ![]()
FreqOut
He he!!
We have a well soundproofed studio here at Technostalgia Towers!!
(album out on the 31st August tooâŚ!)
SCx
Well it was just a thought? I did read somewhere that there was talk about doing a new version of the Tarus Base Peadles? But have not heard any more about that.
Freqout, I canât sell everything I own. Maybe one keyboard but thatâs about it. The only reason why I have not bought a voyager is becuse the price of one is the same ammount I have in all three of my Bank Accounts Combined. That would wipe me out completely. But donât worry Iâm sure I will figure out a way to buy one.
Sorry Guys
Unless we were duped when interviewing Bob recently for www.rlmusic.co.uk there are no immediate plans for either a set of Taurus pedals or a cheaper moog monosynth.
The modern Moogmusic company is a very different beast to the Gibson/Norlin owned one of the 70âs and 80âs. Then there was pretty much only analog kit and every manufacturer had to have a range of synths to sell accross the widest demographics, now itâs all effectively bespoke and moog need to aim high to keep top of the tree.
Yes, Moog could produce a cheaper monosynth, the technology and patents are there right now to do it but it would detract from the Voyager . . . my bet is they will try and tackle something not currently done at Moog . . . either re-issue a modular system or create a polysynth . . . something they can charge a premium on but actually not have to invest too much into RâNâD as itâs affectively been covered with the Voyager . . . just my thoughts.
mal
And very accurate thoughts they are Iâm sure, mee3D!! (GREAT site at RL Music btw⌠Wonder if theyâll do me a deal with that AKS!?) A new modular could be great, but itâs an area well covered by the likes of Analogue Systems and synthesizers.com. Also remember that EMS are still extant and will build you to order a VCS3 to the original recipe for a mere ÂŁ2k- A highly flexible modular in a tiny wooden box, or choose the Synthi A version if you prefer the plastic briefcase!
It just seems a bit of a pity. Moog Music could still be top of the tree with an entry-level monosynth⌠Just look at BMW. They bring out a budget hatchback in the shape of a Mini (car, not synthâŚ) and itâs a bestseller because of its retro associations and clever BMW marketing. (The actual car is an unreliable heap, but thatâs another story not appropriate for these pagesâŚ) Moog already sell their Moogerfoogers which are simple, intelligently designed and well built little units and their Etherwaves which are logical progressions from the earliest Moog products, and they sell for sensible money.
I reckon they could be missing a trick by not making a Prodigy reissueâŚ
SCx
Hey SC
You are absolutely right in that moog are missing out not having a modern day Prodigy . . . that unit was almost more popular then the minimoog and in my experience it is the only other moog that comes pretty close to the mini sound (not including the whacky OSC sync). Personally I would rather see a rack version of the Voyager . . less all the wood and Touch surface and the other items that add to the expense . . . selling for about ÂŁ699 (or less), that way you could buy one per note of poly you required and then have the midi route to each?
Regarding the BMW mini . . . it might be mini but itâs maxi on price!
Mal
With regard to a rack version of the Voyager, I couldnât agree more. To me, this is only common sense, as buying a second Voyager in order to gain two voice polyphony seems crazy, given the expense. Iâd also like to see an expander offering another oscillator, capable of producing a sine wave, if possible.
FACT Mr Moog is an older gent who honestly doesnât really care that much about many of the things that we think are great ideas - while hes at the helm, I donât think that there will be much new gear apart from moogerfooger expanders .
At a recent staff training session at Turnkey the conversation went something like this;
staff:âDr moog we all love the new mini, but what we would all love to see is a polyphonic moog. Whats the position on that?â
Bob Moog(after a long pause with his head down he lifts it and says;
âwe could build oneâŚbut weâre not going toâ
Then quickly moved onto another subject.
He does make some really good products. From the various thermines, and the moogerfoogers, to the voyager and his lattest creation the Piano Bar. Most of the products Moog music makes are good but expensive. But then again pretty much everything he makes aside from the piano bar is built with voltage controled technology.
My theroy on why he is not making more keybords, is probabaly because Dr. Moog does not want his company to become a major palyer in the music industry. After I read an article on the Rise and Fall of Moog Music, and the Start of Big Briar now Moog Music. I have a better understanding of the man. Here is a guy who likes to build electronics and sell them to various people. After wittnessing the rise and tragic fall of his first company, he did not want to repeate the same thing for a second time. Big Birar was a small company, and my guess is he wants to keep Moog Music a small company too. Which I can understand. Besides it would be too hard for him to compete in todays market anyway.
Look at Dave smith and Roger Linn they both have small companies and only make one product. Roger Linn with his Adrinalinn now in itâs second form and Dave Simths Evolver and now polyevolver. The both had compaines that eventually failed as well, and have learned from their mistakes.
So I can understand why Dr. Moog may not build a new synthesizer. At least he has accessories for the voyager to expand it. As for building a new modular synth, I fgure since he has produced a mini modular system for the voyager, I donât really see the need for a larger modular synth.
Mal,
That is a really great idea! I would never be able to afford full polyphony, but even just one more voice would make the voyager a completely different instrument. A rackmount âexpanderâ would be the perfect way to do this. It wouldnât need to have any controls, just the soundboards from a voyager, midi in out and through, and audio outs. Everything could be slaved to the master voyager and all the audio outs could either go into a micromixer or you could build that mixer circuit into the slave voyager. In a perfect world, it would sell for $1000 US, but I would be willing to pay a little more. Just imagine! The software is already able to do this if you have the resources to own more than one voyager. Iâll put my order in for 2 expanders, please! ![]()
FreqOut
Hey Guvnor
I filmed the Turnkey training session . . . I will be editing it shortly for Nick so youâll get to see it again.
With regards Bob Being an âolder Gentâ and wanting to keep it simple , I think there is some truth in that, but not because of age but more to do with Bobs way of doing things - like all good designers and engineers he likes to get to the end result via the simplest route and not over complicate the process.
The Voyager started off as a performance synth with no patch memory, it was only after feedback at various shows that moog decided to add the facility . . . which in my mind has over complicated the unit and lead to a lot of failures.
If you imagine the voyager without the centre programming/Touch screen panel and the wheels up on a non-hinged panel (like the Rogue) you have an idea what the prototype looked like - you can see it at the âLords of the Miniâ Yahoo website.
Moog could probably just release the prototype design as is . . .
Having personal interviewed Bob and recorded over 10 hours of interviews and talks I get the impression that there is a side of the Voyager that is totally alien to him and pretty much nothing to do with him . . . people should really be addressing some of these questions to either Axel Hartmann or Rudi Linhard.
If you look back in history and know a little about moog you will discover that all the more unreliable moogs were not actually designed by Bob, either he was busy being an ambassador for the company or he had left . . . virtually everything after Bobâs departure from moog music was over engineered and unreliable and in the end, it killed the company.
My guess is that while Bob is head of engineering moog will continue to be a boutique, keeping things simple and do-able but there may come a time when moog moves on . . . . and that will be a sad day!
Mal
So basicly the Minimoog was the only synth of Moog Music Inc. that Bob worked on and produced? That would explain why heâs only made a new minmoog synthesizer. Same goes for the Thermines, since thatâs what he built when he started R.A. Moog in 1958.
And with the Moogerfoogers takeing the best parts of the modular synthesizers and making them into effects pedals aka stomp boxes.
Actually . . . the minimoog itself was not strictly designed by Bob Moog. He was away for a few weeks and someone else put together the prototype Model A out of broken modular pieces (anyone remember the name of the chap?).
So, yes the electronics were designed by Bob but the idea of the minimoog came from someone else . . . I think I remember reading Bob didnât think that a portable moog would catch on!
it was originally called the Minmoog.
Later he got involves with the final design and commisioned 10 Model C units to be made and apparently while he was away again the production team made the first 50 and these where to become known as Model Dâs.
Anybody out there know all the story?
Mal