Hi Moog kids, I have been enjoying my RME for the last month or so. When I purchased the unit, I was fortunate enough to be able to get the vx 351 and 352 expanders. I now have the money to get some of the foogers and just wanted to ask what other people dig using with their Voyagers.
I’ve been eyeballing “All In One” 3 and 4, leaning towards 3. Could always do a mish mash between the two, I suppose. Thanks
Well it’s back to this question again. I decided to alter my set up. No Future Retro XS for me, I decided to go with a Little Phatty and continue building my faux Moog modular.
What are some of your opinions on 3 foogers to get me in the right direction? I’m not really concerned about them being an “All In One” at this point, just want versatile…weird versatile! LOL!
Right now I’m thinking Phaser, Ring Mod, and Delay. Seems well rounded, in an old school (I cringed typing that) modular sort of way.
phaser, ring mod, and delay are good options . i would also consider swapping out the murf for the phaser. i think you could get some weirder stuff that way
If you go to Novamusik.com they can perhaps get you an “All in one” but not necessarily one of the factory decided arrangements. You can probably get a darn good price too.
I guess I second the Phaser RingMod and Delay option, but I woudl have to throw in a Cp251 in there for good measure too.
If I get an all in one its going to have to be a 101 103 and 105 and that will be my filter bank.
For sure pick up a CP251 it will allow you to
“control” several things from one spot. For even more control think of adding the Multi Pedal. For actual sound processing the MF 102 is a must. Placing it or the MF103 in the filter loop is hours of fun . The MF103 is one of the best warmest Phaser’s you’ll hear. That said the MF105/B also offers a lot of options, stepped ot smooth sounds, many very phaser like. The MuRF is very rewarding if you spend time to dive into the controls.
Of course the best answer is you need ALL the MoogerFoogers . They get lonely if their siblings aren’t around .
$30 off the price of a MoogerFooger or CP-251. $75 off the price of an LP. $100 off the price of a Voyager. I’m not sure how it works when you buy 3 or more of an item, though.
I’d wait until February to buy a few 'Foogers, though. I recommend the 102, 104z, and 107, but that’s just me. Those will give you a good starting point. Although, replacing the 107 with the CP-251 might be a better idea. The 251 is an absolute must have, in my opinion.
I tend to use the MF102, 103, 104 then 105 and CP251 the most. The 102 on a Rhodes is fantastic, especially using both audio outs on the 103, ad a little chorusing and reverb going in and you’ll really be having fun. The two that work best in the Voyagers filter in/out are the 102 and 103.
Using a 101 and 107 together also works quite well. It all really depends on what you are mainly going for sound wise, as we’ve said you’ll probably at this point get the most mileage out of the 102 and 103 along with the CP251. I still suggest looking into the 105 over the 103 though. If you tend to do a lot of things that are more bass oriented look at the 105B, it has different filter ranges and several different patterns then the 105.
Don’t forget to also check out other digital effects like the Lexicon MX200, sending some MoogerFoogers audio out through it can really brings things to life. Then there is always keeping things simple. That’s the joy and fun of all this, it can be as simple or as complex as you’d like. the major key though is to have fun and put something together that works for you now with a little room to grow. You can always add more to it later.
i have a voyager old school, which i run 100% of the time through a mixer w/digital delay, reverb and chorus available on the aux’s. i tried a mf103 phaser…i ended up selling it because i didn’t find it all that useful for my taste/style. i like the pure sound of the synth best (i like my guitar sound like that, too…very little/no effects, just cranked up loud through a suitable tube amp).
i do have both vx-351 and cp-251, though…the LFO on the cp-251 is especially nice to have for slow filter sweeps and auto panning effects, which leaves the old school’s onboard LFO for pressure triggered vibrato modulation, as well as controlling other parameters via the vx-351.
I would suggest all of them except the MF-101 because it’s rather redundant unless you use it to tame the excellent Freq Box. The CP-251 is awesome and is an essential purchase, but if you’re just looking into the pedals, I’d strongly suggest getting the delay, possibly two, at first, then adding the Murf, and the ring mod, with the others following behind.
I did a recording with my Little Phatty Tribute, and used the delay, and I found that it has this way of putting the LP into a really cool sonic environment. It imparts a really warm classic vibe. The Murf can approximate a phaser at certain settings which will hold you over until you get the excellent phaser. Finally, the Ring Mod is just great - just get it, you won’t regret it!!
I think it all depends on what kind of music you will be playing. I would think the CP251 would be a must. I can’t remember if the RME has the effect insert or not. FX like delays don’t do too well through the insert because the gate cuts them off once you release the key. Of course you can always add a fooger after the RME’s output or via the mixer send/return. I really like the MuRF and the ring mod for my music.
Okay there has been a lot of usage of the word redundant lately and let me be the first to tell you that having 2 filters is a totally awesome effect.
1.Lets say that you have a heavy and fast sample and held pitch/filter. Run that through a second Lowpass filter with some resonance that is doing a really really slow sweep…
It is a very nice effect.
Lets say that you have a special patch on your synth that has dedicated filtering, and you want to run something else through a filter when you can’t multitrack…you need a second filter.
Lets say that you want to put a noise source on the CP251 to good use but your synth’s filter is already occupied, but you just have to have that surf effect or a laser effect. You need a second filter.
Lets say that you wanted to use the filter as a 4th Oscillator for the Voyager or a third for the Phatty. Ill bet you could do that with an extra filter in a oscillatory mode with the resonance all the way up.
Then lets say that you don’t want a Moog lowpass filter at all because different filters have different sounds. Theres lots of filters out there.
Then think about how many Foogers are filters…3. The phaser the Murf and the LPF are all filters. THen there are bandpass, bandreject, highpass, and multimode filters, then you run all of your high dollar equipment through a filter (an equalizer) to get it sounding perfect. Then the Bass Murf has a LP filter in it and the delay has a LP filter effect.
The only redundancy to be found…is in this post lol.
My music is all over the place. Some is kinda dark punk stuff (maybe kinda Rudimentary Peniish, but electronic, of course), some is pretty experimental. At the moment, I’m really interested in 12 tone row stuff. Also want to begin work on some stuff in the vein of old electronic weirdness, ala Morton Subotnick. Blah blah blah.
I’ll be getting one of the free CP-251s, so I’ll be set there. And yes, the RME has the effect insert.
Thanks for all the help guys, I really appreciate all the input.
I believe that Eric has the right idea! If it were me, I would choose the MFs that would extend the capabilities of the synth. Not so much in the way of an effect, but as discrete synth circuits that add to, and reinforce, what the synth already does. They would provide a synergy to the sound that I don’t think could ever be provided by an effect. These are the circuits that I would consider to be an integral part of the synth, circuits that would already be included in the basic synth if including them didn’t run the risk of raising the synth’s price to a point where people might not be willing to buy it.
So, in that sense, I would consider certain MFs as being foundational to the sound. They are the additional columns that add strength to the entire structure. They are the rebar in the concrete! Things such as the ring mod, the LPF, and either the Murf or the phaser, are modules that all have their pedigree in Bob Moog’s designs in one way or another. There may be other effects that approximate these, but these are the real deal! These are circuits that are unique, they are the bricks that will add to, and strengthen, the core of the basic structure of the synth.
The functionality of the other MFs can always be approximated by other outboard effects, or by using a software plugin. Don’t get me wrong, the other MFs are just as important, but I believe that I could do without them until I had enough money to buy the next round of MFs. The first round, however, would be the ones that I would consider to be core to the synth’s overall architecture.
I have posted, edited, deleted, re-posted, and edited this post some more. I tortured it! I hope I haven’t confused anyone who may have been reading it, and watched its evolution. I guess I either don’t express myself too well, or I’m just too damned picky!
Anyway, this is just my $0.02, humbly (re)submitted.
I very much appreciate the time you spent to type that. This is exactly what I am thinking when adding these MFs, especially this go round of purchases. Additions to my RME (and LPhatty) themselves in a modular sort of fashion, more than outboard fx.
I think the Ringmod and Phaser will definitely be 2 of the 3. The Murf sounds great, but I believe I will get more use out of the Phaser to start with. I’m going to be confused enough as it is with all of this LOL!
I was thinking the Delay would be the 3rd, but still not set there. I would probably wait on the Lowpass for now, as I think I can get by with what the RME and LPhatty already offer in that area.