Just started trying to sequence some basslines. I’ve read the previous posts and turned down the release and fiddled with the envelope settings and triggering modes. The voyager does something different every other measure. It will leave out notes or play one note over where two should be. I f it didn’t change its response each time the same pattern comes around I would think something else. But now as it is I’m thinking about selling the voyager. a new $3,000 synth should be able to sequence simple basslines with no problem.I know many of you will say that that’s not what the voyager is best at but still the soundas I’ve heard, from myself and others, have been barely more inspiring than other cheaper synths and now I find that its terrible at sequencing. Anybody else find a way around the triggering problems?
My simple answer: no, it doesn’t. My voyager can play really fast basslines and never miss a note. Fiddling with the various triggering modes does exactly what I expect them to do. Please confirm that you have followed the advice I gave here:
http://www.moogmusic.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=788
If that doesn’t work please report back.
AND how DARE you say ANYTHING bad about the Voyager in THIS forum. What are you some sort of anarchist??? A spy planting LIES to tarnish the gleaming beauty of the GREATEST synthisizer EVER created???
Why don’t you go back digital Iraq…
They have a place for FLAME warriors like you. It’s called the Gas Station.
I can say that because I bought at 12:30 the night it was released for sale on the big briar site. I’m not completely bashing the synth I didn’t have time to write all of what I think about it. In fact I would recomend a voyager to a certain type of player, but not one like me. I’m glad to hear that some of you can get fast basslines because that tells me it could either be something with my synth or sequencer. I was just so frustrated from working for hours to try to get it to play two 1/16 notes in a row and trigger properly. I mean it would trigger properly every other time and I had one measure on a loop trying to get it to trigger correctly.
And as for what I said about not as inspiring, maybe I came into the deal expecting too much, I mean for it to sound as rich as some of those old moog solos, and the fact is I haven’t heard that out of a voyager yet, either mine or on recordings. That being said I think it is a good sounding synth but not what I expected and not what I need. It is nice to have if you have an adequate setup and need something to fill that niche that only it can fill. Sorry to make it seem so hateful it wasn’t intended that way.
Oh…It’s cool.
What are you using specifically to sequence it? As far as sounds go, maybe you need to spend more time programing it? Maybe not, but I find If I spend some time I can pretty much find what I’m looking for within it’s range.
Or at least what I “think” is in its range.
What sequencer are you using? Would you be willing to post MIDI files and patch info? Maybe we can duplicate the problem (confirming weirdness) or help to eliminate it.
-Hoax
I have not problem playing fast sequences on my MMV AE. I use Cubase SX and E-magic MT-4 USB MIDI interface. I agree with Cruel Hoax it must be something with your MIDI set up. What kind of sequencer are you using, hardware or software? Are you using a MIDI interface if so which? How long MIDI cables are you using? Latest drivers for MIDI interface, sound card, graphic card…
My friend has an MMV PSE and he had some problems with stuck notes and timing instability. It turned out to be his fast but crappy Siemens portable computer and the USB MIDI interface.
Regards
Demokid
elirentz - did you or did you not try my suggestion?
If you don’t like the sound of it sell it and move on. But if you’re going to slag it off for something that wortks fine for others, let’s at least see if we can sort your problem out…
I use an analog sequencer and have no problems at all. Not sure how SW sequencers react but the analog sequencer is especially cool because the pitch can be just a hair off sometimes. I’m not sure if that’s the sequencer or the Moogs oscillators but it sounds great.
regards,
dizz
Have you turned “local” off on the voyager?
I was, at the time using my machinedrum as the sequencer, my sound card and cubase aren’t playing friendly right now. I’ve been away for awhile and haven’t gotten to try your suggestions, but will tonight. Thanks for the replies.
if you are starting with no detail like this included pic, then the notes will not playback effectively. use the zoom tool, powerful function. go to the note with a lot of flags! and you will be able to adjust your sequence accodingly, the voyager is great at sequencing! if you have cubase then this should not be a problem i am guesing, being that i have heard of cubase having a drum editor of some sort. I use dp4 atm.
here are some pics.
NO!(use the zoom and 64th notes to sequence)
Detail w/ zoom(exact same sequence with detail)
notes
i use the hightlighted one to draw in notes for the voyager, this is the best way for myself, everyone is different, i am going to teh store, i hope this helps.
if the above pics don’t help then use this one.
Base,
Nice dp4 graphic.
Regards,
LWG
Hm…I suspected you might be having the same problem I am, and the fact that you are using DP4 confirms it. I tried getting help here, and its tough because so far I think DP itself is causing the issue. In particular, the drum editor. I even asked Moog and all they could tell me was that it isnt supposed to act like that.
I actually sold my first voyager because of it, and purchased another determined to figure it out, and I think I did.
Moog should really add this to a Faq or something, as it is a serious pain in the ass.
Anyway, the problem lies in the DP4 drum editors defaults.
In your editors window when using the pencil tool to enter notes, the free mode quanitze pops up, as well as default velocity and duration. The duration is what needs to be changed. Every other synth I have more or less disrgards this function, as in, if I am telling the drum editor to play back 1/16th notes, it just fills that duration for me, stopping for the next note, to retrigger. The Voyager is really picky about it though. For some ungodly reason, when the drum editor is set to its defaults the Voyager seems to think it needs to retrigger multiple notes at the same time, instead of just starting the next note in line. It cant retrigger multiple notes, so, it goes into a coma and just triggers random longer notes, with no predictabilty.
Try setting the duration to 105 or right in that range, then program your basslines.
Mess around with it a bit to get it perfect. For 1/8th notes double the duration.
Again, testing out the different durations will yield what you want.
Interestingly, I got the Nord Lead to pull the same note dropping issue when in mono mode, but not in poly.
I hope this helps.
Clint
obviously you are dissatisfied w/ how the Voyager is sequencing or being sequenced, i am not trying to change your mind, get over it. i was trying to help you, sorry dude, it won’t happen again.
I have just used my AE with Logic Pro 7 for the first time this evening - the result of which was a nice solo - and had no problems at all. I simply set the MIDI Channels for transmit and receive and it worked perfectly. So there you go, Voyager definitely does NOT suck at sequencing!!
I can also play two 1/16 notes one after another correctly. Interested to know if you ever figured out the problem. Also, check out where your envelope settings are at. Good luck.