voyager basics pls shed some light?

Hi there, im a complete voyager noob and this is my first piece of analog kit so pls bear with me. I love playing with the voyager but when it comes to getting the voyager audio recorded into my sequencer or getting automation on it I’m a bit lost. any help would be really appreciated cos I’m going round in circles looking at videos and getting nowhere:

  1. is there a plugin (not sure if that’s the right name) that will allow me to automate changes on the voyager from say logic or any other daw? i come from using only soft synths and basically want to have the same automation functionality with the voyager. is that possible? or do i have to record the audio in while i tweak knobs at the same time i.e. on a live basis? surely not but i can’t see how i can do it. I know that i could program a new plugin to my controller midi note by note but that would take me ages - surely there is something available to buy or free that will let me do what i need???

  2. is the only way to get voyager sounds into my daw to record it in as an audio file? i have midi notes in my daw that play the voyager as i want but when i bounce the track down the voyager audio is missing

  3. finally if i have 2 audio tracks in my daw that i want to come from the voyager is it possible to get the voyager to play those 2 tracks together using different presets or will the voyager only play one preset at a time?

surely these questions are really basic and perhaps stupid to most of you on here but i am lost so would be very grateful if anyone can shed light here. many many thanks.
Z

By the questions you have asked, I think you have gotten in over your head quite a bit. It will take a few months at least to get comfortable with analog synthesis and the voyager in particular.


To start you off though, create 1 or 2 (for stereo/both audio outputs) audio tracks, and one midi track (ext inst) in logic. One note and one preset at a time. The voyager has analog audio only, so you have to use audio tracks to record, or use midi to sequence it in real time without recording.

I assume you are familiar with logic’s sequencing functions, so create sequences with only one note at a time, no chords. (if you have chords, only the prioritized note will sound). Use midi CC’s to assign knob functions to midi. If you turn a knob, it should show the CC number in the bottom bar where the midi input notes are shown. The best way in my opinion to do automation is to create a note sequence, and tweak the knobs while recording midi and audio. If you want to automate CC without turning knobs, you can use the hyper editor or hyper draw (i think both?).

First and foremost, if you want to create awesome music, in my opinion, you must get familiar with analog synthesis in general, learn signal flow, and apply it to the voyager and read the manual. If you limit yourself to the presets, you pretty much just wasted $3000. You have a great tool at your disposal, but you are only limited first by your knowledge of the instrument, and then when you learn how to use it, only by your imagination.

For decades before daw’s, we whirled the knobs while we played the instrument. It’s monophonic, you need to give your left hand something to do when it’s not riding the wheels! Turn off your computer for a while. Put the Voyager in panel mode. Make sounds and music. Then, when you get a feel for the expression available, start to worry about recording. (And then do it one track at a time. Lay down a good one and move on to the next one.)

Hi Z

You sound almost disappointed and astonished. Don’t be. Once you understand the few basics it will make sense. It may not be as “handy” a time saver as a digital workflow - but it’s “real”!

I guess that you have to get your head around one fundamental - the Voyager is an instrument - just like an oboe, clarinet or piano. Instead of using wind through a reed, or a vibrating wire to produce sound it uses electronics to create resonant tones. It’s still totally analogue (excuse my “proper” spelling - I’m from the colonies! LOL) in that respect and you must first treat it as one of the other instruments I’ve mention to play it. Modern times have afforded a few developments, and we can now “drive” these analogue synths digitally - i.e.. via MIDI, to the extent that we can “tell” the instrument what pitch to play, when to play it, how long for, and with what effect applied within the instrument - to ultimately output that result at the audio sockets. This is where you get to hear tangible music for the first time in the chain - on output in real time. You get your DAW to record this audio like you would ask the the clarinet player to play their instrument in front of a mike. This isn’t telling you anything new. Unless the clarinet player has two instruments in his/her mouth at the same time, they’ll only play one at a time. Same with Voyager presets - as the synthesiser only plays the current preset in real time - based on what either a keyboard or MIDI stream dictates.

Your DAW is capable of performing on-the-fly automation (program & filter changes, etc) to the Voyager as MIDI is streaming to it - i.e. as it’s playing in real time. In this respect, it’s similar to a soft synth - for the most part anyway. What is different is explained here (look for the section on automating CC: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb09/articles/livetech_0209.htm (Live vs. Logic, but you’ll get the idea)

Here’s a typical MIDI recording scenario: you’re recording an instrument that responds to expression or performance controls, such as altering its vibrato with the mod wheel, or changing filter cutoff in response to a particular knob on your controller keyboard. This works using standard MIDI Continuous Controller (CC) messages. If you’re using a hardware MIDI sound source, you can record MIDI notes and CC data simultaneously in Live. Any control movement that generates CC data will be recorded as Clip automation within the Notes Clip in your MIDI track. You can also overdub controller data into an existing Clip if MIDI Overdub mode is active. Continuous Controller data is viewed in the same place as automation Clip Envelopes (see screen above)
MIDI continuous controller data recorded in a Clip can be viewed in the Clip Envelopes section.

In Clips that can have envelopes for more than one device (such as Effects devices), MIDI CC envelopes are grouped as ‘MIDI Ctrl’.
If you’re recording MIDI for an external device, such as a hardware synth, everything works as expected. Unfortunately, real-time recording of modulation for devices within Live, such as internal instruments, effects, mixer parameters and Clip parameters, is not, on the face of it, possible. Here’s why:

To control a parameter in Live, you use the MIDI Map mode to assign it to a knob on your MIDI controller. Surely, you think, you can now record MIDI CCs from that knob into a Clip (as you would with a hardware instrument) and the control will be automated. But no: once a Live parameter has been mapped to a MIDI controller, the MIDI CC channel used for the assignment is disabled from recording. This is ostensibly to avoid conflicts between multiple layers of the same controller. As an aside, I don’t really see the problem, as Live is already able to handle relative relationships between Clip Envelopes and on-screen controls, and can also suspend automation in the Arrangement when a control is moved manually, and subsequently pick up the automation when you press the Back To Arrangement button.

Digital soft synths are a completely different animal. They are not instruments and such. They are programs. Where they differ is that they “render” real sound from their instruction set through an interface. When you bounce a track containing a line of instructions to a software synth the DAW looks at the set parameters and uses these to build the sound file on the fly and saves it to disk. It doesn’t need to “play” the track data in real time, at the pace you’d listen to it - but rather as fast as your CPU is capable of processing the data.

  1. No, with caveats. Yes, you can program your DAW to perform some but not all functions available on the Voyager front panel with MIDI CC’s. You may experience some “zippering” on certain functions depending on the MIDI bit resolution you have your Voyager set to. Otherwise, it’s set your sequencer to play the sequence and twist knobs in real time to get the effect you are after. Some folks see this as a limitation, others don’t. You can certainly program your sequence to transmit MIDI CC’s to control various parameters but yes, it is time consuming. Another possibility is using MoogerFooger output functions like LFO’s or an MP-201 to send CV signals to control various CV parameters. The MP-201 will also send MIDI CC’s. Check out the manual it is a pretty cool controller. EP-1’s or EP-2’s or a CP-251 can also control Voyager CV input parameters.

Check out pot mapping on the Voyager too.

  1. Yes. The only way to get audio from your Voyager into your DAW is to plug the audio output(s) into your interface and create a new track/arm/record. The Voyager isn’t a soft synth and doesn’t “bounce”.

  2. No. You need to record each preset seperately. The Voyager is a monosynth and only plays a single voice/note at once.

Don’t let anybody tell you that you “wasted” $3k if you are using the presets. They are a great jumping-off point for your own ideas and really showcase the versatility and power of the Voyager. If you spring for the editor (which is pretty clunky and could use a serious makeover IMHO and many others too) you can see how many of the weirder patches are arrived at as it shows the pot mapping along with the front panels settings. Also, check out Sound-On Sound for their synth tutorial on how to create your own sounds in the analog world. Great series that covers aspects of both analog and digital synthesis as well as explaining how a lot of musical and non-musical sounds that are common can be emulated by hardware.

If you just use the presets and don’t learn the instrument, you are wasting a lot of money. Don’t ever listen to anyone who uses the line: “Don’t let anyone tell you …” they probably have no tolerance for others’ opinions.

And BTW programming CC’s with the Hyper editor in Logic is not very time consuming at all, plus you can program (multiple) gestures that you can’t do with your hands.

Presets are for…


Learning. You can learn many functions and capabilities you might otherwise overlook by experimenting with the presets. They are always a good jumping off point for your own personal sounds.

True, they can be helpful for learning, but not as much as the old Model D patch charts, which force you to dial them up on your own. When you are new to the game like the OP is, it is very difficult to figure out why the presets do what they do, even when tweaking the knobs. I am pretty experienced with Moog synths, I have a model D and had a Voyager, but today I was messing around with a phatty (the only other time I played one was a few years ago) at Guitar Center, and it was not a piece of cake trying to tweak the presets. Granted the Voyager is more intuitive, but has a lot more functions.

I found the LP to be very easy to learn on. Of course, I didn’t have a choice. I was about $1500 short where the Voyager was concerned.

Yeah, but you probably had more than 5 minutes without 7 different people playing digital pianos at the same time to learn it.

Pretty funny, considering it’s coming from this forum’s most antagonistic member… :unamused: :laughing:


Analog synthesizers are first and foremost musical instruments, especially Moog, and as such they beg to be played by hand and tweaked in real time, not really be remote-controlled. Once you take the time to learn the basics of analog synthesis (relatively easy to grasp) you’ll realize what you’ve been missing with soft synths: the hands-on experience. Of course it takes musical skills to be able to get the most out of such instruments, just like any other real ones. Because a Moog Voyager is a real instrument in every sense of the word. Not an “all-in-one” machine or software that can play songs by itself. Although that’s alright too, if that’s what you are looking for, but the Voyager wasn’t mainly designed for that, I don’t think.

My take on it. But of course, I’m just an old school kind of guy. :wink:

Never miss a chance to start sht, right alien, even when you agree with me. If you want to bash me, do it in private messages like a man or give it a rest.

Actually, I learned it at a local Sam Ash…so while there weren’t 7 digital pianos going at once, there were one or two. Plus, every salesperson in the store was standing around me, and I’d never touched an analog synth before. :blush:

Wow! Thanks a million guys. Great to have such a responsive and helpful community - I suppose that’s what you get when you buy quality kit like Moog! I really didn’t mean to start a fight though )))

The answers I got were kind of what I expected i.e. no easy way to achieve what i want. But i can see that the journey will be worth while. The results I can get even with the presets are simply amazing.

btw I spoke to Moog last week and they told me there is a new version of the editor librarian software coming out very very soon.

thx again

1.) You did not start a fight. It’s inevitable that at any given time, two or more Moogers will find something to argue about. :laughing:

2.) Once you learn the Voyager, and master it, (expect mastering the Voyager to take a while. I’ve had my LP since 2007, and I’m still learning) you will be a very happy and musically productive individual. :wink:

You’re welcome. That’s good to know about the editor, thanks for the info. :smiley:

I just hope it’s not written by the guy whose job is to send the freebie stickers :laughing:

I think the voyager is about the easiest synth out there to program. Not sure where people are getting the hangup at.

Its also super easy to assign a cc and automate it using lfo filters, scaling filters or just draw it in.

If you’re coming from vst’s it should really be easy as hell imo as you already are acclimated to what an oscillator is, what a filter is, envelopes etc..