Hello to all, i’m planning to buy a Voyager RME with a vx-351, vx-352 and cp-251..
Will this combination have almost the same routings compared to a Prophet 08 (excluding 1 lfo and 1 envelope)?
What happens when i press two or more keys on a Voyager with no glissando on? Will it play the first note it received or there will be no sound?
From a general view, how can someone compare soundwise a Voyager to a Prophet 08? If i buy a prophet 08, will it it be so far from the sound of a Moog? Does the voyager worth every penny of the extra cash when we talk about sound? I’ve tested one and i liked it…
I have your exact Voyager set up and love it. It’s inspiring to play, sounds great, and just feels like quality.
I briefly owned the Prophet '08 rack. I absolutely loved its sound, which is completely different than the Voyager. It’s polyphonic, has arpeggiator and step sequencer, etc. It does have some different mod routings unique to itself. I ended up returning the unit, as it felt a little flimsy for my liking. I intend to pick one up down the line when I am not so poor, but it didn’t seem like a good investment at the time to me.
With the Voyager set up you are looking at, you will have new mod routings for years. The Voyager panel has a nice layout, taking guess work out of signal flow, and seemed a little more cut and dry than the Prophet '08. In Prophets defense, I didn’t really have it long enough to “bond” with it.
The way the glide works on the Voyager will depend on how you have the key priority set up. These can be changed between lower key, higher key, or last key. Download the manual for it on the Moog site so you can check it out.
I think that once you hit a key, you have to release it before it will sound the second note.
You can set the RME for Lowest, Highest, or Last note priority. If you hold 2 or more notes down it will play a note, it will just play whichever you have the note priority set to.
Some people don’t like the sound of the DIgital Oscs in the Prophet, but some really do. Usually when you go for polyphany then you have to start cutting corners somewhere.
As far as your other questions, I think its just a matter of opinion. I don’t think the people who are in the market for a monosynth get the Voyager and are dissapointed. THe Prophet and the Voyager are different vessels for similar purposes. With that in mind Im sure there are advantages to both that make them rival eachother. But the Voyager does what it does and the Prophet does what it does.
I have played the P08. The sounds on the P08 are different from the Voyager. It is difficult for me to discern if it sounds better than the Voyager. Although, I would say that the sounds are different. I also thought that for the price of the synth, the P08 felt cheap. The knobs felt like they could snap off in my hand. Regardless of that, just go with what your ear likes and you will be happy.
Some people don’t like the sound of the DIgital Oscs in the Prophet, but some really do. Usually when you go for polyphany then you have to start cutting corners somewhere.
The oscs in the Prophet 08 digitally controlled oscillators the waveforms and the signal path are analog. You can add “slop” to the osc’s to make them act like older drifting oscs if want.
The 08 has a nice warm analog sound and feel to it, different from the Moog warmth and feel but also in a lot of ways similar .
the keyboard action has a very nice responsive feel to it, as for the knobs while small really do not feel much more or anymore flimsy than those on the LP or some MoogerFoogers.
What notes play on the RME will depend on what the priority is set to, EricK pretty much covered it.
There are a lot of great synths out there and not everyone is going to like the same things. I have the 08 and it plays very well with other vintage analog and digitals as well as the modern era analog and digitals
What happens when i press two or more keys on a Voyager with no glissando on? Will it play the first note it received or there will be no sound?
Depends upon how you set up the note priority.
From a general view, how can someone compare soundwise a Voyager to a Prophet 08? If i buy a prophet 08, will it it be so far from the sound of a Moog?
I would recommend that you try to get them side by side, and compare their sounds (at the very least, download mp3s sound samples of each) and just try to see which one you are drawn to. No sense buying something, only to be dissappointed in the end.
Does the voyager worth every penny of the extra cash when we talk about sound?
In the end, only you can answer that question. What is the sound worth to you? Please don’t make the mistake of going for what someone else tells you is the right synth. It’s your money, go with what you want.
I’ve tested one and i liked it…
Go with the one that you know will make you smile every time you look at it.
Go with the one that you know will make you smile every time you look at it.
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The only problem is that both make me smile…hmm probably i could be much happier with a Voyager keyboard but…its a LOT of money! I might get both of them in rack versions and forget the extra cv i/o for Voyager…
I own both a Voyager and P08 and can sum them up like this for you…
First of all, they are way different. Just because they are both analog and are recreations from a similar era is about the extent of the similarities.
I would describe the Voyager as warm, buttery, gooey and syrupy.
I would describe the Prophet as warm, sizzly, thick and heavy.
They are really two totally different synths. You won’t go wrong with either but depending on the music you like to make you might enjoy one over the other.
The Voyager is great because you can patch stuff with cables and make some amazing sounds by incorporating foogers, etc. Your sounds can take on the aura of the room they are made in to some extent because of all the mess of cables.
The Prophet is more “inside” by the fact that although there are a few CV jacks you mostly build the sound WITHIN the machine. At least this is how I use it - I suppose you can run it through other filters, etc. as well.
Get both
Check out samples of each at http://earsmack.com - might give you some ideas…
The Prophet is more “inside” by the fact that although there are a few CV jacks you mostly build the sound WITHIN the machine. At least this is how I use it - I suppose you can run it through other filters, etc. as well.
Get both
And for some added sonic fun add a Little Phatty and one or two other analog synths of your choice, then there are all the digitals that work well with them
Ok, i didn’t win the lottery and i don’t believe that Little Phatty has something more to give if someone already has a voyager. Well, i can save some money to get a P08 rack and a Voyager RME. I think that its the best combination…
Sorry, I don’t own a Prophet nor have I seen one. Please forgive my inaccuracies about the oscs.
“I might get both of them in rack versions and forget the extra cv i/o for Voyager…”
Best of both worlds, there. Can’t go wrong.
THe Phatty though WILL give you someting on top of what the Voyager does. First, it is 2 extra Oscs. Second, Through Midi it will give you the Moog Duophony that everyone raves about but noone posts demo videos of.
The keyboard on the Voyager is very, very nice, it plays like butter, and it will send poly signals to the P08 as well. Not only that, but if you get the full Voyager, you’ll also get the X-Y touch pad controller!
Hmm…i wouldn’t pay 1100 euros for these features…its a luxury for me, and it doesn’t even come in a small package (like a Moogerfooger). Moog should try to lower down the prices. They supposed to be good engineers, so why they don’t try to find good and relatively cheap solutions for polyphony like Dave Smith did? At 1100 euros they should have at least more options for the one voice “knobless and featureless Phatty”…and if people buy it to use it as a module for Voyager, they sould sell it like a small rack or like a big Moogerfooger…we are not in 70s anymore…people want to make new sounds and not just play with 2 oscs and a filter..it doesn’t sound like an alien any more…
Lets see…for almost 800-1000 euros more, we get wood, a good 3 octave keyboard, a x-y touchpad and some cv i/o…i still prefer the rack for its price..
Well of corse that is your take on it and thats cool. Duophony is good and all. Im personally waiting for a LPRME so that I can have my duophony and the filter overdrive without the extra black and whites. I don’t need a Voyager RME cause thats just too much. But Ill have my duophony when the taurus pedals are delivered to me.
However, when you start really thinking about stuff like this, its really all about approaching modular synthesis. Ive argued alot on this forum about the fact that when you have a modular synth, its not at all redundant. You give me a Little Phatty and a Voyager and I can figure out a lot of things other than playing them seperately and duophonically.
I think that in time, youll end up seeing from Moog an expansion box for the Phatty that will better allow for this. They WILL make a host of CV outs and more ins for the LP and adding this to a current Voyager owner is not like adding a second synth, it is continually expanding a single system.
It all comes down to how many sources do you have and how many destinations.
Keep in mind that the original modulars were designed not only to generate waveforms and process them to make music. THe modules were designed to process ANY home audio signal. So while you have a synth like the voyager that is doing the dedicated analogue synth job of creating and filtering waveforms, with an added phatty you have a second filter independantly filtering a drum or vocal track, a set of independant oscillators acting as control Voltage sources for increased modulation benefits and extra envelope generators for time based generation and modulation of signals.
So its not like having 2 vehicles that you can use at the same time, its like combining the 2 vehicles into a tank.
THat may not be your cup of tea right now but if you keep buying MoogerFoogers thats the road that they guide you toward.
If you buy the rack mount, then you really need the 2 expansion boxes that go with it that contain the CV ins and outs so that you can interface them with the Foogers and other CV gear, unless you want to do all of that strictly MIDI.
Yes, i know..i will need the two i/o modules for more sound design..but i was thinking as a start to get only a ring modulator MFooger and connect it to the mix loop out/in as in the manual..mostly because i won’t have to eat if i buy all of them at once… I think the basic Voyager (without other modules) can do many things too. When i get used to it, i’ll buy the extra boxes.
MoogerFoogers are a nice way to expand the system, and i would love to see a MoogerFooger with oscs or an old school mini step sequencer!
Has it got a VCO inside, capable of producing basic waveforms? Yes! I would like to see you demos..where can i find them?
Edit: I just checked the specs of Freqbox and it seems to do exactly what i was describing! i would love to see it in action…so we can send pitch cv, and then get the output only at the tip, at mix loop i/o. hmm did i miss something?
Edit 2: I think it mostly works like a waveshaper and it doesn’t output waveforms alone…so its not useable as a source..
Keep in mind that the Freq only tracks well over about 2 anf a half octaves…I THINK thats right. But it was primarily designed to be an effect, not necessarily as a dedicated Oscillator.
I love the envelope follower in it too. Its quite handy.
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