New Delay from Moog

http://www.moogmusic.com/sight-and-sound/product_demo/coming-soon

I’m probably not the first to see this, but I didn’t see a post about it here so I thought I’d open one up for speculation. How do you think it will differ from the MF104z?

So freaking excited for this! Between this and the cluster flux, and what ever secrets moog is keeping tucked away, I cannot contain my self. I think I might need to start attending meetings for this… oh wait…i think thats why I’m on this forum lol

Hi, my name is anthony. I have been a Moog-aholic 6 years…

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: You’re a Moog-a-holic?? ME TOO!

so am I :laughing: mad moog keen!

My name is Alain and I’m a multirecidivist Analog Synthaholic. I got hooked at a very early age by Moog…

Edit: But I also feel great about that ! :smiley:

I can’t breathe, I can’t breathe!

:smiley:

I hope this doesn’t mean there is an apparent backlog?

~Ben

Me to… do I wait and by it locally? or do I ship it from the US?

Might you try Vintage Vibe in the meantime?

~Ben

seems to owe something to the ehx deluxe memory boy with the lfo and tap tempo. looks awesome

Hi, my name is Aaron and I have a problem. I’m a moog-a-holic and I feel great! :sunglasses:

Hey fellow Moog-a-holics! :smiley:

One of the Facebook teaser photos of the back connections showed a MIDI port, so I’m guessing that means it’s an Analog Delay with MIDI Clock Sync. (MIDI Clock Sync. is a must for me). If it does have this feature, I can see it taking over the delay duties from my digital Korg KP3 Kaoss Pad (The Kaoss Pad would still make a good MIDI clock source/sampler/reverb unit though).

What other reasons would there be for a MIDI port? Receiving other CC Messages I guess? It seems to me the most likely answer is MIDI Clock Sync.

Regards,
David Smyth
NZ

Also wondering what they have designed with the external loop (is there one?). I think they got the first 104 wrong because its only the 2nd and following delays which are through your external fx - the first delay is ‘dry’. Seems to me even the first delay should go through your fx. Of course you can fix that at a mixing console with sends, but the external loop is such a great idea yet not quite right.

OK, its got a midi port. But what is the delay mechanism? Assuming its not a mercury bath or tiny tape machine in there, is it BB or digital?

B

There appears to be a loop.

If you look here: http://forum.moogmusic.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=714&start=45 you’ll see the jack layout, and there is an ‘insert’ jack which appears to accept a TRS (standard insert).

As for whether or not it’s analog or digital, etc. They deem it an “ANALOG DELAY” so my guess is (again, no inside information here), they picked up a buttload of Panasonic chips when they began production of the ClusterFlux or got there hands on some other BBDs and are using that. With a max delay tim of 600ms or just slightly more, this is on par with the “Z” and others such as the Diamond Memory Lane 2. At a somewhat longer ‘lo-fi’ setting it will get twice that.

I’m sure full specs will be published next week.

Thanks EM!

Your other job must be CIA monitoring from satellites…

Well, it’s finally announced.
http://www.moogmusic.com/products/moogerfoogers/mf-104m-analog-delay

I don’t know how, or where, Moog Music could get their hands on genuine Panasonic BBD chips…again !
EDIT I know there are a lot of them on eBay, but they’re almost all not genuine and simply Chinese knock-offs with sometimes badly done markings printing.

The new LFO waveforms are a great idea for “special effects”.

Now, I’ll go watch the video demos.

http://www.moogmusic.com/products/moogerfoogers/mf-104m-analog-delay#demos-tab

I bought two MF-104s for $595 back when they were new.

For another $104 they added a great LFO, MIDI, and spillover mode. Not a bad deal.

+$104 = 104M :mrgreen:

Having listened to all the audio samples from this new pedal, and given the fact that Trent Thompson from Moog has stated: “…we’ve increased the delay frequency response by a third of an octave…”, I am surprised at how dark (low frequency response) it still is.

Especially when compared to a DMM with the same chips (the Moog in short mode is equivalent in delay time). The DMM does suffer from some slight aliasing at maximum delay time (roughly 500 ms) because the clock goes too low at 7 khz and the pre-filtering of the signal is not efficient enough for signals rich in harmonics. The Moog offers only 400 ms in short mode (or 800 ms in long mode), resulting in a clock of about 10 khz, which would result in a 5 khz maximum frequency response.

I guess Moog still filters the signal a lot, with a low pass, to remove any potential high frequency content that could cause aliasing at long delay times (low clock rates) in both short and long settings, which simply switches on, or off, two more BBD chips (if they’re still using MN3008).

I would have expected, for a delay in this price range, that it would incorporate an internal variable low-pass filtering of the signal, proportional to the time delay knob (clock rate). That would have allowed maximum, aliasing-free, frequency response at all delay time settings (from 20 khz at maximum clock rate, to at least 5 khz at lowest clock rate), and not sound so muffled even at shortest delay times…

I’ll let you know on Wednesday when mine arrives and I promptly pull the back cover for mounting on my rack mount kit (what kind of BBDs are being used).

I’m buying this without even listening to much of it (from a demo perspective). I have alot of faith in Moog and while I’m guessing that it might not sound as ‘good’ as my Diamond ML2 (which I just listed on eBay), I can always buy that again after I hit lotto. For now, I’m planning on getting lots of dynamics from the midi sync’ed time stretching capabilities of the LFO.

The ML2 has a great tilt EQ built in, but I anticipate the darker of the tones to be better on the Moog. At least that’s what folks have said in comparing 104Zs to the Diamond ML2. I’ll have both for at least a few days even if my auction sells/closes on Wednesday. Will TRY to do a side by side maybe with simultaneous RIGHT / LEFT of similarly clocked delay time and feedback. Will see…