mutronics mutator effect?

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I am trying to get inventive and find a way to patch together the effect used in track #5 here using moogerfoogers 101s, some external lfos as well as and external instrument interface for the incoming drum signal… [i have a 101 lowpass filter with a 2nd one on the way whcih will give me the stereo, the control voltage processor, and a .com 22 space mod synth in the mail with an instrument interface that sends both envelope and gate information, as well as several envelope filters and lfos]



http://www.mutronics.co.uk/html/sounds.html

has anyone had any luck chopping up their sound similiar to #5 without the mutator?

I have been waiting a month to figure this out, waiting for my order- and figured i would do some advance research.

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Oh yea.. I will also run it through a delay, though I don’t have stereo delay with two inputs outside of protools, which won’t work live for me. I will use the boss GT-8 likely for that.

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what about using the drum signal to control the low-pass filter cv? it might not sound exactly the same, but it will chop it up a bit…

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That is almost the plan. I am thinking out loud, and seeing if anyone has any other ideas.. I really want a mutator in my tool kit, and I will have paid more for the individual components to get the sound, but then I can splice them later how I want modular style. I may break down one day and get a Mutator, If I can find one under $700, and if the modular route does not work.

here is what i am thinking now..
-drum input to
-instrumental interface gate CV send to
-2x envelope generators [one possibly with delay or a slower attack] envelope CV sent to
-2x MF-101s freq in.

I can’t use the envelope followers on the 101s if I want to run it in stereo, as you only get envelope control on what you hear.

though I think I need 2 non 101 envelope followers to get it stereo, at slightly different timings.

I haven’t figured out what the LFO is processing in that example, unless is is summed in with the envelope outs to rotate the cutoff frequency [though using a sequencer or the drum gate sent to sample and hold might be just as effective as well]. I know there is a LFO in use, probably 2 in stereo and I know the guy had some delay he was cranking.

it should be here annnnny day to test out :slight_smile:

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Didn’t listen to the clip that closely, but it kinda sounds like the envelopes generated by the drum signals are mixed with the lfo’s like you mentioned. You might need a second 251 or at least another mixer (and lfo) if you want to have both channels doing things independently of the other, I assume you’ll have all that with your dotcom.

Based on all the equipment you listed, I would think that you’d be able to get all the Mutator’s sounds and a lot more (I don’t know if it has 2 sets of lfo’s/mixers though…)

Using your murf right before the mutator-esque setup would probably add a lot to the sound possibilities too (when I first listened to those mutator clips, the murf immediately came to mind)

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I have used the murf alot with white noise into it to trigger analog perc sounds, and yea- my “not yet here .com” will be chained in. Since I don’t have a sequencer- I use my MURF or sample and hold off a lfo to replace that part of the sound

So I guess the conclusion is, yes I can get close.. as I am pretty sure I have everything the mutator does, and ways to hook it. it hopefully will sound as close as possible with a different synth.

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please forgive my violin/ guitar playing that were all done mostly in 1 pass [a 3 hour start to finish project with patching and multitracking] It was primarily rambling to bring some life to the Moog loop.

but here is a patch I have come up with, that I am pretty happy about.

the sequence from the background started in arturia, then ran through 2 101s for the filtering. I ran out of patch cables to use my midi to CV/ envelopes for that sequence to keep the entire thing analog. then stereo delay was added in sonar after tracking. all CV came from my .com synth.. and was a mix of drum triggered sample and hold, 2 sweeping LFOs, a rectified envelope filter :slight_smile: and the auctuall envelope from the drum loop. all but the Lfos were drum triggered. the drums are pretty crappy too. but oh well :slight_smile: I need to build some multiples with 1/2 inverted outputs for this type of stuff.

I crank the speed of the LFos at the end of the guitar solo for some fun..

http://www.nickelcreek.info/~matt/analog/Concrete.mp3

curious on what y’all think.

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:unamused: Hello,my post has nothing to do with your subject…Athough ive seen your playing the fiddle and i would like to ask you some questions…!!!

Well,i play the violin.I am jazz musician here in Greece.I use the ATM 350 mic. for live performances.
http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/wired_mics/71d870fb398e6978/index.html

Recently i was asked to play in an electric band(rock-jazz band) and it is urgent to buy some effect procesors,pedals etc…
At first,i am thinking that with the mic i am gonna have feedback problems…should i buy a pickup and which one?
Secondly,i am thinking of buying these products:1)Boss RC-2 loop station,2)Boss V-wah,3)Boss VF-1(24-BIT MULTI EFFECT PROC.)4)MURF…and 5)Moog delay!
Whats your opinion?The stuff I am thinking to buy are very expensive,should i start with some of them and buy the rest in some time forward?
Is there something else that i have not mentioned that should be in my buying list?
Please man help me…I must buy the “guns” for the next live…
Thank you in advance…

PS1>Nice song…
PS2>Sorry for my english![/u]

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Ahh the digression of an electric violinist :slight_smile: How much do you know the Jazz violin scene here in the USA?


What stuff you get depends on what effects you want. if you always want the “violin tone” to be there.. You need more tone enhansing effects, If you want to compete with the lead guitarist, [ele violin can do more than them :slight_smile:] you need a different barage of effects.
feedback will always be a problem in high gain unless you have a solid body instrument. though you can make some temp fixes with some cases less than others.

First. positioning. Do no stand next to live drums. stand as far away as possible [and from loud amps.] The band MUST understand that if they can’t work with your placment it is going to suck for the entire band.

if you get an electric get one with Barbera pickups. Stay away from Zeta! Nothing else compares. I reccomend Wood Violins.. http://www.woodviolins.com/html/home.html I have seen Krzesimir Debski from poland on a Yamaha electric, and was very impressend by his tone [the first for me and Yamaha]

IF you get a pickup I would reccomend a fishman. with the fishman preamp. IF you can get the blended w/a mic- [and have the option of turning down the mic when you go high gain] OR use your current mic with a pickup [use the mic or a 50/50 for acoustic stuff, switch to the pickup for the fun stuff.

Processors. I would get a multi effects. Boss makes good stuff, I am partial to the GT-8. IF you plan on using a lot of the amp moddlers.. AND you are on a violin, you will have a lot of separated high end noise, a MF101 works nice to warm up the sound. [or the harmonic converger with high gain].. Get one that has possibilities for a pedal board.

The mulit effect will have delay, wah, phasers, etc. Not up to Moog but will be a start [and easily switchable.] The Murf is a secret weapon. the loop station could be a secret weapon as well. Add a MF 101 in there, as i promise you with a peizo pickup you will be cursing the high ends, and frankly that is the only lowpass filter i would use on my violin, as it is musical to sut the highs with it.

start with the multi effects and a good pickup. Then expan as the need arises. Make sure you have an amp.. Plan to run direct into the sound board [less noise], but use your amp at low volumes for an extra monitor.

I you can get signal to it- the murf will work well with the microphone. you migh tconsider that.

Check this forum out for other electric violin players. you will be the 2nd one to use Moog stuff on there :slight_smile:http://www.woodviolins.com/wvmb/index.php