We could all post out tips and tricks we do with our Moog Delay.
If you put a Compressor with full volume and sustain in the loop of the Delay with Feedback 3, then turn on the Compressor you can start a feedback loop as your note or chord ends. Then turn off the Compressor to turn off the feedback loop. It’s interesting going from 2 repeats to infinite repeats and back to 2 repeats without using a foot controller into Feedback.
One of the first things I did with my CP-251 was to send an inverted envelope (from MF-101) to delay time, which decreased the pitch as the envelope opened (using moderate feedback). I then played with the lag generator on the env. signal to get some whacky delay bounces!
Very, very cool envelope-controlled pitch shifting. It reminds me somewhat of a Boss PS-3 on slow pitch shift, but better.
Also, you can control feedback, of course. Send a negative envelope to a high feedback setting to “stop” the feedback when you play. Once again, endless possibilities. Thanks Moog!
I like the compressor trick, too bad I don’t have a compressor pedal…
I like to use the feedback and some pedals in the loop as an actual sound source on it’s own to process with the rest of the mf’s. There’s a pot in the back that I’ve turned up so the pedal feedbacks more.
Nothing really groundbreaking, I haven’t really explored putting it in a feedback loop with all the controls under voltage control from the other mf’s though
A MF-101 with the resonance set to almost self oscillate through a MF-104 feedback loop is a wonderful sound…not exactly what you might expect too! Sort of a liquid, underwater gurgle…very very unique!
I don’t have the delay, but I have a question:
Can you send CV through its audio path, to delay CV signals, e.g. echoing the envelope out from the mf-101, and then sending this delay-processed CV on to a CV input somewhere (e.g. 103’s sweep control input)? Or will ‘bad things’ happen?
Can you use audio signals as modulators in Moogerland? This seems unlikely, but this is possible in Nord Modularland (I know its apples and oranges…but just thought I’d ask)
thanks,
bentropy
Bentropy,
I haven’t messed around with delays and cv, but I know there’s some other posts in the forum about people doing so without damaging their equipment. If you have the 251 you can always use the mixer to make sure that the voltage doesn’t get out of hand. CV signals are just like audio signals except they’re below the range of what we can hear so everything used to process audio can process cv and vice-versa.
One thing to keep in mind is the bandwidth of the delay. I don’t know if the delayed audio output of 104z will pass a low frequency control voltage simply because the bandwidth of the BBD chips is finite and won’t pass frequencies above (and maybe below) a certain amount.
hmmm…I have a 104z, I’ll try it when I get a chance.
It would be interesting to try sending a short S & H signal through the delay to control the pitch of say the Voyager creating an arpeggiated type of pattern.
I’ve never thought of using the delay to process CV’s!
So I tried out running CVs through the 104z last night. After a bit of level adjusting you can actually get quite decent results with an LFO or envelope through the delay. There was a lot of waveform distortion and some seriously funky results with the envelope (I used the MF101’s envelope, not an ADSR or anything yet). Not sure what is causing this, but the results were still very cool! Especially something like adjusting the frequency of a square LFO for some crazy ping-pong rhythmic CVs.
Yay! So with a CP you could attenuated the signal to bring it in range of a suitable CV. I’m quickly building a collection of Moogerfoogers a MF-101, 103, and a 102 on the way. Next a CP, and I want to get the delay but its a pretty penny. It would be really cool to be able to echo CVs, yeah like a env follower. Can you post some results if you have a chance?
thanx,
bntrpy
This very well may be accurate because the other day I was running a patch using all of my FOogers with the Rhodes. (Its a 73) and when I got up towards the highest 8 keys, the only thing that was delayed was a click and no high notes. This could be a volume thing but I surely was dumbfounded as to why those notes weren’t getting delayed while 1 note lower was. It made for an interesting effect…some notes delayed some not.
ok i just tried the cv thru delay (not a moog delay tho) trick… wow i dont know why i never tried this before. i had noise from my micro going into the 103 with no lfo and sent the square wave (rate at 12 o’clock) from the 102 into a booster pedal then into the delay (about 300ms) and it created this dance beat filter sweep it was great! im going to have to get a 2nd delay pedal just for cv…or an actually trigger delay