Can anyone please help me with some info and examples for patches using the CV Mixer on the CP-251, please?
Also, I am curious, is using the Arpeggiator on the Little Phatty Stage II the only way to make the Little Phatty Stage II “drone”, so that you can tweak and use the Little Phatty Stage II hands free?
Let me say that I do understand and know how to use the CP-251 in a couple of different ways and I almost always use it with the Arpeggiator on the Little Phatty Stage II running so that I can tweak enjoyably and hands free! So for example, I know you can take one of the LFO Outs on the CP-251 and send it through the Lag Processor on the CP-251 then Out to an Input source on the Little Phatty Stage II. Also, you can send one of the LFO Outs on the CP-251 into the Mult on the CP-251 and use the other 3 Outputs on the Mult and send them to various Input sources (right?).
But the CV Mixer concept is the one I understand the least right now. Can someone please explain exactly what the concept and purpose of mixing different CV sources together is, what it does, and can you also give me some great/interesting patch ideas using the CV Mixer, please?
BTW, my Little Phatty Stage II is the 'CV" version with both CV Inputs AND Outputs, and my favorite patches are very slower tempo, lower pitch, deep, droning, chaotic “random” types of patches, if that makes any sense!
So many ways to do so many things with the CP-251.
Here’s a very basic hands free drone patch using the CP-251 mixer.
Patch a cable from CP-251 square LFO output to input 4 of the mixer
Patch cable from + mixer output to LP’s gate input
Patch cable from Out1 of CP-251 S&H to LP’s pitch input.
Set Master knob of the CP-251 mixer to 10
Now use the CP-251’s mixer offset knob to control the gate
-5 (no sound, no gate)
0 gate triggered at LFO rate
5 gate always on
Select your favorite LP preset.
Use LFO to taste.
Turn knobs of either EG’S on the LP to add some flavour, particularly attack and release of the filter envelope with slow LFO rates
Try Out2 of the S&H (instead of out1) for a smoother pitch variation.
Try the LAG processor and attenuator from this basic set up for more control over pitch variation
Using the mixer to combine waveforms results in complex waves that can’t be arrived at by other means. Using free-running LFO or envelope CV’s from sources such as other Moogers and processing them through the CP-251 can produce vowel sounds or patterns that resemble the output of an arpeggiator.
Or, if you have MIDI-enabled Moogers you can have synchronized LFO’s.
For example, if you had an MF-101 or 107 you could patch a drum pattern through the MF to create envelopes, patch the envelope CV through the lag processor and then through the mixer section and use the output (positive or negative) to control filter cutoff or pitch or mod bus. Or maybe combine the envelope CV with the S&H output of the CP to alter parameters.
The possibilities are really only limited by your imagination and access to CV’s.
The only real hard and fast rule I have seen over the years is USE THE MIXER TO COMBINE CV’s AND NOT THE MULT!
Refer to the Cp-251 manual and the other Mooger manuals for examples of patches and a more in-depth look at complex waves.
Another handy tip is to use a digital camera to document patch settings instead of taking notes, which can become fairly time consuming on really complex patches.
An excellent source for ideas and explanations of CV is Chris Stack via Experimental Synth. Look him up on Youtube. Very informative.
@portamental, thank you so much for that! I really appreciate that. I will try those ideas out. those patch ideas sound very interesting! I appreciate you leading me in the right direction!
@c7sus, thanks for all the info. some of it is for when using equipment that I don’t have or use, but interesting info anyways.
