Someone else mentioned that it would be cool to have assignable cv ins and outs for the sub 37; that would be nice, but it would be even better to have a vx351-style output with 25 pin connector, since there are so many cool functions in this new synth. That’s probably a pipe dream, but maybe you guys can make an assignable cv out patchbay with 6 or 8 jacks? there are a lot of cool possibilities.
It has been made clear, by everyone that I’ve asked at Moog, that CV Outs on the Sub Phatty and SUB 37 will never be available.
Those of you who know me know that I love messing with CV Outs, so I’m right there with you. But this will not change no matter how many requests come in. Take a moment to mourn and then move on to all the other cool things it might do.
do you know why this is? does the control software make it too cumbersome or something?
You’ll have to ask the creators on this one…
Why can’t Moog tell us these things directly?
Obviously, I’m not speaking for Moog. But I did go online and look at
lots of other recent product announcements by other brands.
I couldn’t find a single case where a product announcement included
a list of all the things that the forthcoming product wouldn’t do. All
of them consistently focused on what their product would do.
Yet you insist on doing so.
Your condescension is duly noted. Seeing as how this is Moog’s message board and not a product announcement, and seeing as how Moog employees regularly frequent this forum addressing customer questions and collecting feedback, it is not unreasonable to wonder why Moog doesn’t address the issue while non-Moog employees choose to speak authoritatively in their stead.
OK, truce.
Can we disregard my above posts and just get back to
speculating and voting on how the CV Outs should look?
I think I’ll most likely just get a small Euro case with some tools. There are a number or midi-cv euro modules being manufactured today.
The Kenton’s are excellent (either module or stand-alone box). For a low cost option and if you are euro the 190-2 (Doepfer) can be had for cheap (used).
If you can build, the HexInverter Midi->CV can be built for about $50 (iirc) and it will do 4 channel. But in the end, it’s additional gear, another power supply and wiring, shame that they are not offering the CV out. As much as one of the add-on products give gate out, pitch, LFO and other, there is no substitute to being able to push Envelope generator voltage out or have the wonderful, midi clocked and time divided LFO available for other gear.
It’s the Kenton Euro that caught my eye. I still have time before I pick up a S37. I’ll add a third to ocs. and a ring mod to the rack as well. That should play well with a pair of SEMs
Question fo Mr. EMwhite or anyone else for that mater.
Last night I thought it might be cool to use a Freqbox instead of a euro rack osc.to feed the ext in on the S37. If I’m going to use the ext in on a S37 it has a mixer so I should not need to attenuate the osc out of the 107 (which is rummored to be too hot) is this correct? I could still use my cp-251 if needed.
I’m going to get a Kenton midi -cv to control cv pitch from S37 to 107 will this be a problem? Should this track well or I’m I better off with a euro osc into the ext in on the S37? I was thinking that the Freqbox might be a better sonic match.
Thanks
IIRC, the 107 doesn’t track accurately over the 10 octaves. It should be ok on 2-3 octaves.
Thanks for the reply.
Neither do my fingers 
so 3 or so octaves should be fine for my silly needs.
I sold my FreqBox some time ago in order to buy a dedicated dotcom format OSC from SSL, which I subsequently traded for an Oakley S-VCO which I am selling now to afford more MOS-LAB (it’s endless!) but I drove the FreqBox from the Little Phatty CV out, then took the OSC out from the Freqbox back into the audio in on the Little Phatty for a 3rd OSC.
I was also daring one day and took Midi out of the Little Phatty into a MP-201 with a programmed envelope which was plugged into the Cutoff of an LP-101 with the FreqBox OSC out going through it. So the frequency tracked the Little Phatty keyboard but I had a different envelope and a secondary filter. It worked well and seemed fine (at the time) across the 3 octaves of the LP keyboard.
The 107 should track well up to 5 or 6 octaves. It shouldn’t need to be attenuated, but if you were running it into something like the STG Mixer it might need to be boosted a bit. His 5U module is tested with dotcom oscs which are hotter than the Foogers, but I can’t say what he uses for his euro modules.
If you were going to get any modular format gear, you might want to just go with a modular osc than with the 107. The 107 IS cool, but get those multiple waves out and get the numerous cv inputs you are looking for. The 107 is awesome for what it is, and it’s sound is nice with a continuously variable wave shape output though.
If Moog made an envelope and VCA unit to complete what would otherwise be a Moogerfooger based synth, the 107 would be a great choice. But if you get bored with using it as an additional osc for a synth voice, and you want a totally independent voice, you need a vca.
The cool thing about the 107/CP combo is that you have an osc and a modulation buss. You can do many cool things with just these two.
Hi, first post… 
I was a bit surprised reading that there won’t be any cv out expansion for the sub 37. I was sincerely hoping that this would be available in the future. Let’s hope that they change their minds..
In the case that they actually do an expansion option, I would love to see the inclusion of a pre filter insert jack. That would be great.
I might not be understanding your wish, if so please excuse me. I thought the audio in on the S37 is just that a pre filter insert. No?
I could be wrong here but being as even one of the lfo led’s has to be digitally controlled due to running out of cv output in the synth, this would suggest that there is no cv slots left in the synth to use as cv outs. A physical limitation of the synth and therefore not so much a case of “not going to add them” but more a case of “physically can’t add them”
Just piecing together bits of information from around the forum so could be completely wrong.
mattyp,
I’m sorry to say that you are correct.
It has been made clear, by everyone that I’ve asked at Moog, that CV Outs on the Sub Phatty and Sub 37 will never be available.