I know you are just daydreaming out loud but it got me thinking…
If Moog ever made a poly again it would have to cost way more than a Voyager or who buy a mono from them after that for more money or the same as a poly. So what would it cost..5K,6,more?
People hoped the iPad Pro would also run OS X, but that would never happen as long as they are still selling so many premium priced laptops, the same applies here I think. Do you intentionally make your own products seem obsolete?
I think analog is wasted on polyphonic and best experienced and appreciated in mono, digital is the way to go for polyphonic. You want 8 voices? How about 128 or 256 or more? An analog poly costs many times more and has far less options and control and voices …and sounds about the same. Dave Smith and Bob Moog and others learned that by going out of business. Dave Smith recoiled in horror whenever anyone asked him about VCO’s the last several years, but then he caved in and made the Prophet-6 ( half the voices of his previous release Prophet-12) tried to cash in or stop people from asking? He knows, I don’t. I think the sales did not match the online 100% free chatter, never went to backorder or out of stock like the Sub37 kept doing for almost a year.
I could be entirely wrong, wouldn’t be the first or last time! …just thinking out loud.
i think the prices are kept artificially high “thanks” to the glamour of a over-mytified brand name than to the reality of the actual analog parts and analog design.
parts are infinitelly smaller and cheaper to produce now than 40 years ago (i mean modern parts of course)
i don’t see why a modern polyphonic Moog would be such a nono…
i’m not a purist nor a fetichist, i don’t vow any mystical adoration to Moog nor even to analog
still i never had a bether polyphonic experience than with an old PolyMoog and a nice warm reverb
also not all the parts really need to be purelly analogic to still have the nice feeling of a classic Moog
envelopes, lfos and all the control can perfectly be digital, only the oscilators, filters and amplifiers really make sense to be analog
8 voices is a perfectly adecuate number for nice harmonies (6 would be a strict minimum).
128 or 256 makes no sense of course
No offense to the original poster, but does anyone else get really annoyed with threads like these? It seems there’s a new one every week or so. It seems kind of strange/arrogant/naive that someone would start a thread based on what I can only assume is zero synth building experience, just to tell Moog how to do their job, and how simple it would be. Like they haven’t been hearing this same argument for a few decades.
Bottom line. If you want a polyphonic synth, buy a DSI. The Pro2 is 4 voice paraphonic, and it’s only $2k. Why? because it kind of sounds like shit, and the build quality matches the price tag.
Shame on me for even clicking on this link. I saw the title and thought it might actually be about an actual poly moog. Click bait, so it’s annoying on two fronts. Am I the only one?
Also, I wrote what turned out to be almost an “essay” on what it actually takes to create a new synth product, over on that other slutty forum (see the thread about the Roland Boutique synths, page 35, search for genshi.) It was to squash those comments where people say “Why can’t they just add a simple cheap chip to add 4 more voices” or “add a chip to make it analog, it’s got to be cheaper now than it was 40 years ago”. I explain in detail, why it’s not as simple as most people think; even from the very first step, before the design/development stage. Many on that forum say it’s worth the read… some even say it enlighten them on the subject!
I disagree. Part of Moog’s success is due to the feedback they get from their customers. We have a right to petition for Moog to make what it is we desire. It’s part of giving Moog a chance to give us what we want before we are left with no recourse but to spend our money elsewhere.
Otnotig will get his poly in the end but if it has digital oscs, would that be a basis for complaint?
Feedback is great, but that’s not what this is. This is a wish list to Santa, with no regard to what is possible for a company like moog. I think 99% of the people that make these lists of criteria wouldn’t invest in the polyphonic synth because it will certainly be “too expensive”. if you really want a polyphonic moog, polychain them. It’s simple enough to do. Th minitaurs are great for this, and cheap enough that you can start with a couple and add on as you go.
Quite a few years ago I wrote a letter to Moog Music asking for a cheaper version of the Voyager. I explained that I had owned a Moog Rogue in the past and was searching for that authentic Moog sound once again. I wrote that I could not afford the price of a Voyager and was considering the purchase of a Creamware Minimax. I like to think that my letter, in some small way, contributed to the release of the Little Phatty.
It is important for us to provide Moog with our input and desires, because they will listen.
If it wasn’t for this post I would not have been aware that you can poly-chain Minitaurs. But then I have to ask: If that is the case, why doesn’t Moog make a 4 voice synth for the approximate price of 4 Minitaurs? I think it has more to do with production space, company (monophonic?) policy, or whatever, more than it has to do with what it would cost the consumer.
I totally forgot to extend a welcome to the forum, Otnotig.
I have been hearing that they were already developing one since before the release of the Sub Phatty. It’s just a matter of time. Moog proved with their $6k guitars, and $10k Voyagers and $150k Modular that they can do whatever they want and aren’t afraid to put a high price point out there. But really, if you want polyphonics then just go vintage. There are plenty of Polymoogs to be had if that’s what you want rather than waiting for Moog to make one and then maybe it has what you want on it.
Genshi’s article on GS was excellent.
I’ll fully admit to drawing/submitting mock-ups with no idea of the engineering costs involved. I have needs as a synthesist which arose from vacuums in their product line. There are entire threads here “What should Moog make next” for example. In that thread you can see many suggestions, several of which have been built by Moog over the years. But other suggestions such as a Sequencer module in a VX351 sized enclosure were jumped on by Doepfer with the Dark Time. And Moog never completed their MoogerFooger synth with Envelopes and a VCA module (probably for reasons mentioned in Genshi’s article) but that forced me to look elsewhere even though I really didn’t want to. That resulted in purchases from Dotcom which led to purchases from Mos-Lab. That is money that I would have gladly given Moog had they made what I wanted them to make. And this continues because they won’t offer individual modules (probably because of reasons Genshi mentioned).
So there’s nothing wrong in my opinion with trying to support a company by encouraging product development, but if they don’t listen for whatever reason, then people like Dave Smith, or the modular cottage industry stand to benefit.
megavoice clearly knows something we don’t know…is Behringer re-making the Memorymoog? Korg, maybe? Actually, off/on-topic, who owns the intellectual property of the MM? Our current Moog Music, or somebody else?
Moog has done poly before and should do it again with the “Sub” line. However the knobs are too low quality I think so I sold my 37 and bought a Voyager RME instead.
hoping one will come, so i can sell the prophet8 and get a better sound and bigger knobs instead
afcourse there is a market ( coming) for a real good analog poly.
i bought a p8 as replacement for my old ( but great) jp8. i think it’s time something more then the p8 will come soon. just hope it’s from moog
prophet 6 did a go for it, but i think 8 voice is neccesary
Oh, Id think about several times before you really do.........or later youll think of these words probably with much regrets…
My tech and I we found out (A/B) that the 08 is pretty close to the JP8 as for the sound, although nobody else on this planet likes to confirm ever…
Ive got two 08s and Id rather sell my balls than one of those two…