(1 minute tune) Comparison between digital and analog Synths

I fetched my quasimidi sirius and tried to compare it with my voyager.
The Sirius has a very cool builtin drummachine, but the Synthsounds are very cold and metallic. I’m shure that you guess which of the sound is made digitally and which is analog.

http://www.psicolor.de/music/Psicolor_-_Analog_fckt_mit_Digital.mp3

Drums are digital, the first synth sound is digital, the second synth sound is analog. Am I right?

I am agreeing with Voltor. Both of the synths sound cool, but if we are correct, you can’t recreate the beauty of the moog.

Very nice.

Very, VERY impressive answers! :smiley:

The Drums are digital, yes, but with the synths it’s vice versa. The first sound is the voyager, the second is the sirius!

For me, the second synth sounds very cold and especially the high frequencies are badly distorted for my taste! But your answers tell me, that the difference between both techniques is not mainly related to the sound…

I don’t really know what this means, but your answers make me very meditative

Very difficult topic, but i decided to ignore your answers and to prefer the moog. :wink: Just because i spend about 3000 EUR … and the voyager looks much better :smiley:

Pure Moog again:
http://www.psicolor.de/music/Psicolor_-_loop3.mp3

It means that Mac Book speakers are CRAP! :imp:


:laughing:

Yeah, that’s DEFINITELY Voyager. :sunglasses:

I listened through monitors and like you still though the wrong synth was the Moog. :blush:

It could be the effects. When I had a Kurzweil there were a couple instances where I thought I was playing the Voyager but was actually playing a Moog patch on the K2600. They sounded similar because they were both running through the same digital effects.

wow, i had the 2 switched around. interesting.

While we’re on the subject, I’ve recently programmed a Taurus-like Bass sound on the Voyager. I’ve carefully reproduced the same patch on my Alesis Ion.

In this audio sample, I manually play a short sequence of notes on one synth, then the same thing on the other synth. At the end I play one note on one synth, then the same note on the other.

Can you tell which synth is playing when?

Synths used: Alesis Ion and Moog Voyager EB.

This audio sample has been recorded live into Audition in one shot with no effects or anything else, just the two synths.

http://FileHost.JustFreeSpace.Com/977TaurusPatchIV.wav

Hard to tell but I’m going with #2 as the Moog. I have an Ion, and it is a very flexible synth. It does a very nice Moog emulation.

It’s not a completely fair listening test:

you should play the bassline alternatively with the Moog and the other one, as well as the melody: than you will certainly hear the difference…
It’s confusing now because the synths both play different melodic material.

That’s true. I just wanted to make music, the comparison was more likely a side-effect. But I really want to make a “scientific” comparison, because if you’re standing in front of both synths and play with them, the difference is dramatic!

Hmm..really tough. I’m guessing the last note in the recording is Ion.

I have a few times got a great sound on the Voyager and then emulated it so well on digital gear that I use the digital version for convenience, polyphony and multitimbral setups. The Voyager lets you explore sounds which you might never have set on digital synths. But that’s what is great about a TB-303: other synths can sound similar but its so easy on a real 303. In the same way, other synths can do much of the Voyager sounds, but programming on the Voyager is more natural.

B

Listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRuFQivgaxk

That a Korg M3 expansion board. Sounds quit a bit analogue doesn’t it? I have heard thsi debate before and I am not sure what side I fall on it. Clearly there is a difference but how significant I am not sure. What I love about analogue as much if not more than the sound is is the ability to use CVs in creative ways.

I agree. Looks, its this simple. I can get a mic and sample a Voyager and load it into my M3 and and its going to sound like a Voyager as much as a CD of a Voyager sounds like a voyager. Ultimately, its all being recorded to digital right?

Now I love my M3. Its a great synth. What I can do with it that a Voyager can’t is create incredibly complex layered sounds with effects and a wide range of controllers including sophistited control mixers that work almost like CVs. You can pretty much use the controllers to control just about anything. A real strength of this synth and it sounds great.

Now I still may want to buy a Voyager. Why? Because its a different animal. I does not play by the same rules. I like this last post because yes, you can get simiilar sounds on say a Voyager and and M3 expecially with the Radius inside but the way you control a Voyager is what makes it special and I believe with the expansion box, its a real attractive option.

It may take me a few years to save for one but I beginning to find this little synth very desirable.

Does this mean I am selling my M3? Not a chance. Nor my soft synths. Just tools in an arsenal of sounds that can be mixed and combined.

Lux, nothing beats the Moog filter. I also have an M3, the filters for EDS and Radias programs are good but not Moog good :slight_smile: Something about fast filter envelopes on the Korg don’t sound right to me and its hard to sweep the filter manually without some stepping. The only time I have heard stepping on the Voyager is turning the filter frequency knob when self oscillating - a case for getting an Old School if you really are a fanatic. However the Korg is very good and most digital synths are similar regarding filters and envelopes.

The Voyager is irreplaceable for some sounds. But that’s the reason to spend considerable money on a single note synth - sometimes that one note is worth it.

Cheers,
B

I don’t disagree with what you are saying. For lush textures I love the M3. But I also know that there are some souds the the Voyager and other analogues make that can’t be reproduced on an M3 unless you sample them. Of course, you wan’t do this in real time and move knobs around and that is the magic of the Voyager. If I had the money, I would get one right now. I do have some foogers and as you know, the M3 is not cheap so I am in saving mode right now.