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i am so sad to not own any 'foogers besides CP-251 & VX-351 (which have jacks on the front, and are awesome)

i wish Moog would have released these in 5U MOOG FORMAT (duh) to begin with
hell - I play guitar and have almost no interest in MFs because:
-they're synth module designs, not guitar pedals in the first place
-they're phucking gigantic - kiss pedalboard real-estate bye-bye if you add one; god forbid if you want two or more.
- i''m NOT gonna get used to smacking the footswitch with my hand in order to use them as desktop/rack - s@#$% pedal design

(i regretably say this as i LOVE moog!!!) THE BIGGEST FAIL = 95% of the guitar players that buy these don't have a clue what you can do with this stuff by patching other modules together!!!

in effect, the 5U interface was changed to accommodate a majority that has no interest in the possibilities brought by said accommodation...
i mean, shoot, I've played guitar for 20+ years and still most dudes can't tell you the difference between overdrive, distortion and fuzz. How on earth are these cats going to figure out the carrier/modifier relationship in a ring modulator, in order to get anything beyond the usual ripping-sidebands and tremelo? (which any other analog RM pedal will already do fine for anyway) .

it could have been a full-on modular Moog revival, instead they're designed to be .....pedals
-"knobs on the floor" -
so I get to bend over every time i want to modify the sound?... unless I use an army of expression pedals (urggghhh...no), OR I can use a patchbay...but wait, I now I discover that I have to mod my MFs if i want to use them in a p-bay be cause the plugs behave retardedly if you leave them constantly patched....arrrgh.


/rant

shaft9K wrote:i am so sad to not own any 'foogers besides CP-251 & VX-351 (which have jacks on the front, and are awesome)

i wish Moog would have released these in 5U MOOG FORMAT (duh) to begin with
hell - I play guitar and have almost no interest in MFs because:
-they're synth module designs, not guitar pedals in the first place

Basically every "guitar pedal" ever made is some variant of a filter (LP or BP), ring mod, phaser, delay or distortion. With digital you get reverb and pitch shifting too. The Freqbox and MuRFs are more synth oriented but at least they fit in with both guitar and synth and vocal and bird sounds and star gazing and...

-they're phucking gigantic - kiss pedalboard real-estate bye-bye if you add one; god forbid if you want two or more.

That's because they have analog circuits instead of microchips. To boot you also get an onboard preamp/buffer, a CV interface and large knobs and switches to play with.

- i''m NOT gonna get used to smacking the footswitch with my hand in order to use them as desktop/rack - s@#$% pedal design

Well put a socket on there and switch it remotely with a footswitch. This is more than possible. Push it with your ass or headstock or whatever if you don't want to mod.

(i regretably say this as i LOVE moog!!!) THE BIGGEST FAIL = 95% of the guitar players that buy these don't have a clue what you can do with this stuff by patching other modules together!!!

Hmm, 10 000 ring mods sold? I think they're doing something right. The effects quality is the cream of the crop. Even if you don't patch them you still get great sounds.

in effect, the 5U interface was changed to accommodate a majority that has no interest in the possibilities brought by said accommodation...
i mean, shoot, I've played guitar for 20+ years and still most dudes can't tell you the difference between overdrive, distortion and fuzz. How on earth are these cats going to figure out the carrier/modifier relationship in a ring modulator, in order to get anything beyond the usual ripping-sidebands and tremelo? (which any other analog RM pedal will already do fine for anyway) .

it could have been a full-on modular Moog revival, instead they're designed to be .....pedals

They were designed when there was little interest in modular synths. In my opinion this interest has grown in the last decade.

-"knobs on the floor" -
so I get to bend over every time i want to modify the sound?... unless I use an army of expression pedals (urggghhh...no),

Or buy an MP-201 and cut your expression pedal use by a quarter.

OR I can use a patchbay...but wait, I now I discover that I have to mod my MFs if i want to use them in a p-bay be cause the plugs behave retardedly if you leave them constantly patched....arrrgh.

Only a few of them, and the fix is not difficult.


Moogerfoogers are a happy medium between the synth and guitar worlds. I think you are in the minority: give a guitarist a choice between a pedal and a 5U module and which would he choose? "Does this run on 9V?" "WHAT? I need to buy a case for this?" "I don't think this is going to survive being kicked around and thrown in my van."

MFs are for people who need to push the envelope soundwise. I had mostly Boss pedals before I went Moog. Now they're pretty much all I use, well that's a bit of an understatement.

It's your choice: you don't have to buy anything. I agree with you that the format is bulky, which is why I am modding my setup (Moogertron). Who knows, maybe one day I could convert them for a living? I think the market who would be into that would be quite small though. Most are happy with how the MFs are, otherwise Moog wouldn't sell so many.

To quote the website you have listed below on the synth page (yes it was in reference to the Little Phatty):

"For years I attempted to convice myself that a Moog was not necessary. Yes, I got by for years without one, but since you only lives once and some opportunities may be missed with great regret..... It must be hype, right? Not at all. "

and (again in reference to the LP)

"It's disadvantages are a lack of : a 2nd LFO and dedicated knobs for each function"


Looks like a Ring Mod, or Freqbox module would fix that problem. Oh and just to add to Latigid's MP-201 suggestion, you could use a MIDI controller to automate functions, and voila, look ma no feet!!

Open your mind to the possibilities YOU could achieve, forget about what others may not want to learn. Stop holding yourself back and play with your knob(s). It always brings a smile to my face when I play with my knob(s)!!

The 'on the ground / up off the floor [rack]' debate is not an easy one to fix for all. Playing live, you need them all in front of you on the floor (if you play a guitar/bass); If you play kbds, a rack or table top is perfectly acceptable especially if your are a tweaker.

But in home/studio, floor is very much non-preferred. I broke my back and cursed alot when I first got my Multipedal (ironically)... until i got the hang of it.

When I got my Taurus pedals, i broke my back and cursed alot until I hooked up a controller with mapped cc knobs for the most useful functions.

Then there's the other side of the equation. I have a T-Rex Replica, a Diamond ML2 and a Boss RC-2 Looper pedal and ALL are up off the floor. The T-Rex 'foot functions' are controlled via Midi via Multipedal; the ML2 is modded for tap tempo remote, and the Boss digital looper also modded and has a set of three kick switches mapped into it.

The big question is, do you have free hands or feet and do you really need to access all the knobs while playing. If the latter is true, that's where pedals come in. Takes time to work out the optimal setup.

But 'latigid on' has the right idea; there must be a secondary market in mods for the 1000's of these things sold. Offer a synth.com style (new school Moog Modular type) rack converstion for the MF line. All ports and pots on front, internal power within the rack and you'll get a group of takers. Offer a patch panel converstion mod for each pedal; a different group will want that; offer simple piggybacked jack based footswitch for remote and you'll also get some take up. but out of the box, there are plenty of options.

*if you like what's inside, you'll find a way to make it work.

Stuff like this should sell. It really makes the Foogers easier to live with.

This seems like a rather loaded topic.

I used to refuse to buy FOogers too because I thought they were simply marketed to guitarists too. But, I got a ringmod to replace the burnt out tremelo bulb in the rhodes and I own all but the Murf now. The Bass Murf is about the funkiest thing Ive ever heard on the bass, the phaser is wonderful, the delay is without a doubt the best ive ever heard. The Moog filter speaks for itself. The Freqbox is a great tool for adding extra voices. They can handle any line level signal giving me an advantage as I produce my own music.

I would never limit the potential of the sound that I can get just because 95 percent of other guitarists would be happy with a 250 dollar all-in-one processor.

If you want to deny yourself, thats your problem. Why conplain about it here? Find something that inspires you and freakin play.

If they don't fit in your board properly, then you should construct one like mine.

That is nice and clean.

Nando wrote:If they don't fit in your board properly, then you should construct one like mine.

Easy there, he's a guitar player, not a rocket scientist.

Here's mine... It's a combo set up - floor and hand use... Oh and the bass is sometimes replaced with a guitar.

shaft9K wrote:i am so sad to not own any 'foogers besides CP-251 & VX-351 (which have jacks on the front, and are awesome)

i wish Moog would have released these in 5U MOOG FORMAT (duh) to begin with
hell - I play guitar and have almost no interest in MFs because:
-they're synth module designs, not guitar pedals in the first place
-they're phucking gigantic - kiss pedalboard real-estate bye-bye if you add one; god forbid if you want two or more.
- i''m NOT gonna get used to smacking the footswitch with my hand in order to use them as desktop/rack - s@#$% pedal design

(i regretably say this as i LOVE moog!!!) THE BIGGEST FAIL = 95% of the guitar players that buy these don't have a clue what you can do with this stuff by patching other modules together!!!

in effect, the 5U interface was changed to accommodate a majority that has no interest in the possibilities brought by said accommodation...
i mean, shoot, I've played guitar for 20+ years and still most dudes can't tell you the difference between overdrive, distortion and fuzz. How on earth are these cats going to figure out the carrier/modifier relationship in a ring modulator, in order to get anything beyond the usual ripping-sidebands and tremelo? (which any other analog RM pedal will already do fine for anyway) .

it could have been a full-on modular Moog revival, instead they're designed to be .....pedals
-"knobs on the floor" -
so I get to bend over every time i want to modify the sound?... unless I use an army of expression pedals (urggghhh...no), OR I can use a patchbay...but wait, I now I discover that I have to mod my MFs if i want to use them in a p-bay be cause the plugs behave retardedly if you leave them constantly patched....arrrgh.


/rant

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