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Phatty and Logic - midi filtering

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:23 pm
by Wyrm
Hi guys. This question goes to all those moog user who use also Logic Pro.
I think that there's been a similar topic around here but I can't remeber if the problem was resolved.

So. I'd like to use my LP or Voyager as a midi controller controlling its own functions only. I don't want to control logic's functions via midi (turning on/off solo on channel strips, faders etc.). When I turn the volume know I change Phatty's volume, and channel strip's volume as well.
So tweaking while recording or rehearsing the sound is complicated as some midi commands trigger some various functions in logic (muting tracks, changing pan).

So the question is:

how to filter these messages? Some tricks in environment perhaps?
Any help highly appreciated! :)

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:57 am
by Squid Tempest
I'm not a Logic user myself (I use Cubase), but I did notice this thread further down the forum:

http://www.moogmusic.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8585

Not sure how helpful that is though.

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:07 pm
by tasters
Squid Tempest wrote:I'm not a Logic user myself (I use Cubase), but I did notice this thread further down the forum:

http://www.moogmusic.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8585

Not sure how helpful that is though.
yes
this is my topic but no a resolution for now...

the only way i found to fix this is to use the USB MIDI in the LP2!

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:23 pm
by Amos
I also do not use Logic, although I would like to learn it so I can provide better support to our customers.

From talking to some other people, I got the following suggestions:

1) in Logic, under File menu, File->project settings->MIDI; select Input Filter tab, check "filter MIDI control changes"

2) if monitoring LP's audio thru Logic; have to have an audio track in record... as long as this track is not selected, problem doesn't happen
Logic only sees cc changes if the audio track is selected
so simply de-select audio track that you're monitoring the Moog through.


I hope these are helpful...

_Amos

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:32 pm
by Wyrm
Wow! Simple as that! Found it and problem solved!
Well, that makes life easier a lot. Thanks, Amos.

By the way. Is there any way to filter Voyager's midi messages directly in the Voyager?

Here's the example:

I have my Phatty and Voyager and I'd like to create basically a 2-voice 5-osc synth, let's say. So I connect them both via midi obviously and I put Phatty's output (or any other synth's, in that matter) into Voyager's input, so that I can filter everything using V's filters. BUT tweaking knobs on Voya affects my phatty as well, which, in this particular configuration, is pointless, because I don't need double filtering or such.
Any ideas how to deal with it?
Thanks.

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:35 am
by Klopfgeist
If you want to do more advanced MIDI filtering than just in the menu Amos suggested, you can go in the Environment and program whatever you want (use a transformer for filtering messages), including an arpeggiator.

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:40 am
by Sir Nose
If you are not using a computer, something like this is needed

http://www.philrees.co.uk/products/process.htm

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:29 pm
by Wyrm
thanks for the answers!
yes avoiding using computer is my goal in this one - I should take a closer look on that device,
thanks

Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:59 am
by tele-pet
I think I have a similar issue. I have MIDI cables going to my MOTU Ultralite audio/midi interface. Though I have the Phatty itself set to only input and output on MIDI channel 4, it triggers other software instruments and various controls (Phatty's volume knob controls the Phatty's volume level in Logic).

I believe that the MOTU, though it has 16 MIDI channels, is turning the Phatty's specified channel (4) to a universal one, allowing it to control everything. Does anyone know of a way to make the MOTU Ultralite only input/output on a single specified channel? I think I would have to do something in the environment, perhaps create an object that represents the UltraLite, and then filter everything but the MIDI channel I'd like.

Gosh-- any ideas or help would be so very much appreciated. In the meantime, I will be investigating and learning about to operate the Environment window in Logic.