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I own a Freq, Murf and Ringmod and have been thinking about getting a CP-251.
I saw someone on here having two CP-251´s... I understand the basic functions and uses of it, but please motivate how two units could be useful?

Also, I remember reading about a "Lord of the ringmod" document, but searching gave me nothing - can someone point me to it?
(or other MF-patching tips and tricks?)

Two is always better than one, right?

With two CP units you can simply patch more stuff more places. Useful if you have a lot of gear or want to try interesting things, e.g. triggering a sample and hold with another S&H... the sky's the limit.

You're probably looking for this:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/KnobTweak/

(+1 for stickies)

Anyway, have fun patching!

Lets say I have a Voyager and a Freqbox. I don't want to use the freqbox as an extra oscillator, but I want to have another synth voice there that I can use for the background of a track. So Im playing my voyager and with the cp251 I introduce a Sample and hold to the very subtle background of my voyager track, without affecting the voyagers programming.

The cp in this instance is a seperate modulation buss. Its perfect combination to the Freqbox or Ringmod or any other Fooger that can function as an Osc.

Having more than one modulation bus is a definate plus, especially if you have a Fooger like the Freqbox to go with it. Double everything that the CP 251 has to offer, except not only can you combine voltages with the mixer, the second mixer can process audio.

Basically, you need lots of multiples and attenuators, and theres nothing wrong with having more and more LFOs and noise sources either.

For my setup, which has 3 racked foogers on one side, I want to have the other 3 foogers racked on the other side. I need a cp251 for those other three foogers, just to 1, make patching easier, 2, to give me more options and potential voices, and 3, to even out my racks.

Im hoping they will make another CP sized unit soon.


Eric

I use 2 CP-251's with my rig constantly. I use the 2 LFO's and the inverting attenuators on many patches. Also, since it is also interfaced with my small modular, the two lag processors and offset mixers come in really handy. When used with the Foogers, the mults are great and also nice to have the attenuators. Also having more than one S/H and noise circuit can help with developing new sounds.
I made do with one for a while, but soon realized a second was going to be needed. (Modular synths are like peanuts, you just keep wanting more.)

I am looking forward, very soon, to add another CP-251 to my gear. I am separating my guitar processing set-up from the Voyager, for a set-up based on a MF-101, an Etherwave Plus and a few other foogers (and a Lexicon). A CP-251 is needed here to LFO the MF-101 and the mult will be used immediately too. The mixer is great for about just anything, I love the offset.

The keyboard set-up, Voyager OS + LP needs it's own CP-251 too of course. I have become to rely on it's LFO a lot, because it's often simpler and faster to use and spread around than those of the OS or LP (and it leave them to their mod bus or pitch wheel undisturbed).

A CP-251 is THE most useful little thing to have around in any CV based rig. At least, it used to be. I find the wind has changed lately. If you are using exactly the foogers you mentioned, the MP-201 will give you more benefits to control your foogers (4 CV's programmed any way you like, LFO on any channel, envelopes to trigger foogers, pedal control, etc) right away than the more 'experimental' CP-251 will allow. BTW, foogers have much more CV input jacks than out. Other than the LFO, you need some CV ins to go into the CP-251 to make it useful. Synths (Voyager + VX351 or LP with CV out) are your primary source of CV's for the CP-251. Foogers.. not that much. An envelope here and there.

The way things are, I would get an MP-201 first for a bunch of fooger's, CP-251 after.

I own three of them.

They are a great addition to a fooger rig.

You won't keep that stuff seperated for long, they play too well with eachother.


Its all one system anyway, thats what I love about Moog. Its all just a growing system that can process ANY sound through it. It makes not only for a wonderful instrument in its own right, but for a very important part of a Studio's capabillity.

EricK wrote:You won't keep that stuff seperated for long, they play too well with eachother.

I just need longer patch cables, that's all

The CP 251 is a very interesting unit and it wouldnt be hard to have a dedicated one for each moogerfooger. Well, other than hard on the wallet

I have a CP 251 and use it all the time. In fact, I am rather suprized how useful it is to me. Why have more than one? I guess for the same reason that some modular synths filll a wall. The foogers and the CP-251 and for that matter, the newly updated MP 201 multipedal, form a small modular system. The CP 251 is like having several modules in one place Haing more of them just adds to what can be done.

If theres only 1 reason I had to list it would be this.

Theres 1 cp251 for combining voltages, and the second cp251 for combining audio signals.

Eric

I have 2 cp251's, and what I dig about it is being able to send extra stuff around to all my 'foogers, and then into and out of my RME Voyager via the VX units. I haven't worked with large modulars, but between the programmability of the RME, two CP's, 2 VX's, and 6 foogers, other than a sequencer I'm hard pressed to figure out what I'd be missing by not having a full on modular.

As it is, my system is pretty wide open, and has the advantage of being able to remove one unit ie. the phaser, pop the back on it, and take it to a gig, then pop it back into my fooger system. I don't think you could do that very easily with a traditional modular.

I'm glad I have the 2 CP's because I find having more options allows me to stretch out further when I'm experimenting. It never feels like I have too many of them, that's for sure.

EricK wrote:If theres only 1 reason I had to list it would be this.

Theres 1 cp251 for combining voltages, and the second cp251 for combining audio signals.

Eric

I use stereo audio and would want at least 2 for CV if I could afford it. 1 251 and 1 MF-101 seem like a nice match and another for my ring mod and delay!