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Hi,

New guy to the forums, but who better to ask about the voyagers envs than you guys?

This is my second unit, and I have experienced similar issues with both units, so I am assuming it isnt a faulty unit. Basically, when sequencing the Voyager, the Env's dont retrigger unless the notes are given a great deal of space. For example, when sequencing say 16th notes for a bassline, try putting all 16 right next to each other.
With any of my other synths analog or not, what you will hear is 16 short hits of the sound, with the voyager you get 4 or 5 triggers of the sound, then a sustained note.
Worse still, it is fairly random, so you might get 6 triggers of the sound, then a sustained note, or you might get two.

As far as what I have tried to solve this, I have tried the different key/trig modes with no success, I have tried having no release (or very minimal) for the chosen sound, as far as I can tell the envelopes just arent retriggering for new incoming notes until the envelope in finished. However, you would think having sustain, decay and release almost all the way off, it would retrigger. I suppose I could understand if you were playing a string, but, a bass sound? It isnt just incoming MIDI either, playing quick trills on the keys themselves will often have you starting your sound mid envelope.

Ugh.. anyone have any idea how to fix this?

Thanks in advance!

Clint

There is a polyphonic mode that is on by default when Voyagers are shipped out of the factory - it thinks you have (n) Voyagers chained together for a polyphonic system and it triggers every nth MIDI note. You might have to turn it off. I don't have my gear here so I don't know the menu navigation.

Hm...

Thanks for the response.

The notes are all triggering, but mid envelope.
There must be a way to make the unit restart its env's every time a new note is hit.
It was my understanding that multi trig did just that, but, it isnt.
I currently have multi trigger on, and 1 key only active, I have tried it with all combinations of those menues selections.

its driving me insane!

Check the thread "Envelope & Trigger Quirkiness". Your problems seems to be similar to what I posted. I emailed Moog and posted their response.

Mark

I did notice that multi - trig kind of works, with a sound that has very little to no release. However, that only applys if the notes used are different.
c1,d1,e1,c1,d1,e1 works. c1,c1,c1,c1 does not. Again, its fairly random, and you can hear the env restarting, there has to be a way in software to tell the env to completely retrig with each note.

Mark, I did read your post, have you tried sequencing your unit at all?
Did you find a work around? What is the point of giving us MIDI is sequencing quick basslines is not possible and if octave traspose is so buried that it is unusable?

Hi,

The voyager most certainly can be used for fast basslines (140bpm+, 16th note) with no problems. So, what you have is a faulty voyager or a stray setting. I am inclined to believe that it is the former and I think that MC pointed you in the right direction. Anyway, to help out further I d/led the manual, which reads as follows:

The MIDI Key Order function allows multiple Voyagers to function together as a polyphonic synth. Up to 16 Voyagers can be Linked together to create a 16 voice synth. The Value of the MIDI Key Order Number assigns the Voyager to one of 16 voices on the MIDI input. To use this function, select Master Mode / MIDI Key Order and press ENTER. The screen will prompt: “MIDI In Key Order is not active” Use the +/- Buttons to select if this is not active, or 1-16 and confirm by pressing ENTER. If you are using a single Voyager – make sure this feature is not active, especially if using with a MIDI sequencer.

In OS2.1 this defaulted to 2 (I think) and it needs to be off. I think this will take care of your problem...

rgds

I tried reproducing the problem, using the arpeggiator on my Triton Studio with various bass patterns, many of them with repeating notes. I found that as long as the release time was kept low, there was no retriggering problem, even at extremely fast tempos.

It seems that either you have a defective unit or there is a problem with a setting.

Good luck!

Mark