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Will The Model D Ever Be Re-issued ?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:05 am
by suede
I just thought I would ask if the model D would ever be re-issued ? The Voyager is too expensive for me and has more functions than I would ever need or use .
it would sure be nice to have a new model D midi optional : )
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:59 am
by Demokid
I have an old model D from 1972 in great shape retrofitted with MIDI from Kenton. It only control note on/off, cut-off/amplifier via touch sensitivity.
I also own a Voyager AE… it has far more features and everything is controllable via MIDI.
In Sweden where I live a Model D is very expensive if you want a working one e.g. $2000 without MIDI. The reason why is because they are rare sounds warmer then the Voyager.
You get so much more features and stuff if you buy a Voyager and I think it is a better deal.
Save some more money and buy a Voyager.
Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 6:01 pm
by mee3d
According to Bob Moog himself . . . there are no current plans in the pipeline to build a simpler, cheaper analog monosynth, but you never know which way the wind blows, originally there were only going to be 100 Signature Edition Voyagers!
If you are looking for a Model D type unit you could have a look at the Macbeth or Studio Electronics stuff . . . not moogs but pretty close to the sound and original features of the Model D for half the cost of a used 'D' (and probably more stable and useful with MIDI in the studio).
it is still possible to pick up a used Model D for a reasonable sum (cheap ones seem to come from canada?) but they are getting more expensive by the day.
Mal
Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 6:34 pm
by MC
I hear from a lot of sources that the Macbeth is an excellent duplicate of the model D. This would be a good choice.
I tried an SE-1 in person and it is NOT a Minimoog. Nice sounding synth, but not a Minimoog. My source blew it away.
The old SE Midimini is a long discontinued rackmount item that contains the circuit boards of cannibalized Minimoogs and has MIDI and other modern features added, but they are rare and sell for more money than a stock model D.
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:26 am
by suede
The Voyager is too expensive ! Cmon Mr Moog Bring back the Model D !
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:23 pm
by Don
That could certainly be done. It would also cost about twice the price of the Voyager and have fewer features. Are you SURE you'd want that since you can't afford a Voyager?
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:39 pm
by The Unknown
In many ways, you'd probably be better off with software version - sounds almost as good, MIDI controlable, stable and won't break down when you need it most. I have A CS80V and have already used it for soloing on two new arrangements and it sounds brilliant. But of course, if you're a purist...
I'm also a little dubious as to whether the Voyager sounds any less 'fat'. My AE seems pretty damn good at big lead and bass sounds to me. Also, when listening to recorded music produced by any instrument, you have to take the production on it into account, as this will invariably make things sound larger then life.
Just a few thoughts.
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:15 pm
by mee3d
I don't know what all the fuss is about. If you want a scaled down Voyager then go out and buy a used vintage moog - there are plenty around, and some can even be MIDI'd and send SysEx and pot CC's etc.
I have a restored Source . . it looks as new as my Voyager SE, kick serious sonic arse and with the Encore upgrade has 256 patches!! (twice as much as the Voyager) Ok so it doesn't send pot positions . . . it only has 3 pots anyway but it's cheap and sounds just as 'moog' as the Voyager . . and way easier to gig with (small, light and cheap).
I also have a LAM minimoog which is a stunner and in my mind sounds better then my Voyager . . in my opinion the more complexity moog/Rudi add to the system menu on the Voyager, the harder it gets to control everything via tactile hardware, the closer it gets to me not liking it.
When I bought the Voyager at system OS1 the fun was that there was very little soft menu twiddling needed to get the sound you wanted . . now it might be useful to some but I want my moog to sound like a moog and the more I play it the more I am happier playing my minimoog D, Source and Memorymoog, everything is right there, immediate and you don't need to refer to a manual to find the right menu page.
Go buy a Prodigy, Multimoog or Source . . get it services/restored and add a MIDI kit if that's your thing . .
Mal
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:41 pm
by suede
It wouldnt cost twice the price it would be half the price GEE Some people just dont get it do they???? IM NOT ASKING for a software program or a old moog alot of people would buy a new Minimoog Model D re-issue GEEJUZ Im one of them.
These Voyagers are over priced and sitting in stores unsold. How many have been sold ? 1000 ? The Minimoog Model D would sell like hotcakes if the price was right and they were issued like the original...midi optional of course. Mr Moog knows it too.
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:26 pm
by Don
I disagree. It would be quite expensive. You'd have to either hand wire the circuit boards or else pay to have custom chips designed. Many of the parts, such as original transformer, an important aspect of the sound, might not even be available any more and would have to be recreated in small quantities. Again, quite expensive.
Get a cheap laptop and the software version of the Mini. Put it through a good amp with some EQ and it will do well.
Or find a Source--a killer instrument if ever there was one. It was the planned replacement for the Mini.