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Help with potentiometer

Post by Jim Punkrockford » Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:29 am

Hello moogers, I need some help in finding the right pot to use as a VC. I want to hook up my mooger fooger to a pot mounted right on my guitar. Is there a smallish pot that will fit in a control cavity of a Les Paul and will control the mooger fooger?
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Also I would really love to find a fader that I could mount on my guitar that could be used as a VC. Does anybody make a slider that can be used as a voltage control?

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And while I’m at it, I would love to find a “modulation wheel” to be used as a voltage control. You know what I mean, the little wheel on your keyboard, but spring loaded to be closed (0 volts) and then when I tweak it (raise the volts) the effect comes on, then when I let go it returns to 0 volts (no effect).

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I would like to thank you guys in advance for any help anybody can give to me. Please remember I am borderline retarded so if you respond with some sort of technical information I will just sit and stare blankly at my computer screen. Usefull information would be presented more like… “go to this web page, order this part number” that sort of thing. Please feel free to give any ideas you might have even if your not sure they will work perfectly.

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Re: Help with potentiometer

Post by DeFrag » Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:09 pm

Jim Punkrockford wrote:Hello moogers, I need some help in finding the right pot to use as a VC. I want to hook up my mooger fooger to a pot mounted right on my guitar. Is there a smallish pot that will fit in a control cavity of a Les Paul and will control the mooger fooger?
What a great idea! So, will you have to run an extra cord from your guit-fiddle then?
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Post by Jim Punkrockford » Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:06 pm

I was thinking something like this. Hopefully a bit longer.

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Post by electrical_engineer_gEEk » Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:11 pm

yeah, all of those will work, just search through a Digi-Key, Mouser or All-Electronics catalog and do some measurements on the inside of your guitar. It should require minimal electronic components and probably a battery. I don't have any moogerfooger pedals myself but if they provide voltage on one of their TRS connectors you don't even need a battery!

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Post by eric coleridge » Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:59 pm

All you need is a 10K, 50k, or 100k log potentiometer (they come in log/audio or linear variety-- log is probably what you want). I believe the pots in the expression pedals are 50k... but one of the other values might work better for you, depending on what you want. They're generally all the same size, and will fit in the space you mentioned (because there are pots in that space already). You can get a rotary/knob pot, or a slider/fader type pot. Either will work, as long as you get the right value. You just need a stereo type cable and connect it to a male jack to access your MF.

You'll then have 2 cables trailing your guitar--which might not be an ideal solution. You might also consider replacing the existing 1/4" audio jack on yr guitar with some other type of connector that could carry/connect all of these wires at one locale. On the other end of this connector's cable, you could split the wire back into two 1/4" male phonos for use with your amp and/or MFs.

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Post by DeFrag » Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:57 pm

He could "braid" or spiral the two cords together. Or, choose a multi-conductor alternative like a locking XLR but with many more conductors of course.
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Post by latigid on » Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:12 pm

eric coleridge wrote:All you need is a 10K, 50k, or 100k log potentiometer (they come in log/audio or linear variety-- log is probably what you want). I believe the pots in the expression pedals are 50k... but one of the other values might work better for you, depending on what you want. They're generally all the same size, and will fit in the space you mentioned (because there are pots in that space already). You can get a rotary/knob pot, or a slider/fader type pot. Either will work, as long as you get the right value. You just need a stereo type cable and connect it to a male jack to access your MF.

You'll then have 2 cables trailing your guitar--which might not be an ideal solution. You might also consider replacing the existing 1/4" audio jack on yr guitar with some other type of connector that could carry/connect all of these wires at one locale. On the other end of this connector's cable, you could split the wire back into two 1/4" male phonos for use with your amp and/or MFs.
Eric - I would reccomend against using a log pot. That is because all of the control is at one end, and then the response increases expontentially. A linear pot, on the other hand, has an even response throughout, and so is more suited for control.

Log pots are generally used when the scale is logarithmic, for example audio volume. The deciBell scale is log, so it makes sense to use this type there.

Jim - have you ever considered using an expression pedal? That would leave your hands free for playing. Or is it more the image you want? I guess Tom Morello made great use of his faulty pickup switch.

Sliders are much more (but not impossibly so) painful to mount than pots.

I think all the Moog manuals reccomend a 50 or 100K pot for use in expression pedals, so do the same for your extension.

FWIW, I once built a little extension box for my MF-102. It comprised of four TRS jacks connected with two trailer light cables (5 core, common ground (sleeve)) to two 5 pin DIN (MIDI) connectors on a little box. Then, I attached these to 100K sliders. The cables were long enough that I could sit the box up quite high, and slide whilst playing.

But soon I gave up and just turned the Moog knobs instead :)

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Post by eric coleridge » Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:25 am

latigid on wrote: Eric - I would reccomend against using a log pot. That is because all of the control is at one end, and then the response increases expontentially. A linear pot, on the other hand, has an even response throughout, and so is more suited for control.
Yeah, I was'nt sure; But i thought the Moog Expression pedal used a log pot.

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Post by latigid on » Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:25 pm

Hey

Maybe it does. Anyone got a multimeter? Test the resistance (tip to sleeve or ring to sleeve) while treadling the pedal. If the rate of change increases at one end, it's a log pot.

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how about this one

Post by Jim Punkrockford » Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:48 am

how about this one for the slider

http://www.mouser.com/catalog/specsheets/TW-700132.pdf

why does it have 4 soldur lugs? are 2 of them redundant grounds?

does anybody know a good technical term for a "modulation wheel"? i can't find a pot modulation wheel on the online catalogs.

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Post by Jim Punkrockford » Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:59 am

like on this page

http://www.mouser.com/catalog/629/PASSI ... NGUIDE.pdf

are any of thses things something like this
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spring loaded and all????

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Post by electrical_engineer_gEEk » Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:39 am

yeah, i've been looking for modwheels for awhile, I doubt any major vendor such as digikey or mouser would have them because they are primarily used in synthesizers. I noticed that Dave Smith instruments is making custom modwheels for "SynthWood" Sequential Circuits restoration company. Here is a link to a post on MatrixSynth about it if you are interested:

http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2007/02 ... heels.html

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Post by eric coleridge » Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:11 pm

electrical_engineer_gEEk wrote: I noticed that Dave Smith instruments is making custom modwheels for "SynthWood" Sequential Circuits restoration company.
Oh Man! Is there anyone else here who's dying to get clear mod wheels on their Mini?

If Dave Smith is making them, and enough people petitioned him to make them specific to the Mini-- I bet he'd probably do it.

Thanks for the post.

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Post by eric coleridge » Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:18 pm

Jim Punkrockford wrote:are any of thses things something like this
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spring loaded and all????
I'd agree with others who've said it's unlikely that any parts distributors will carry an assembled mod-wheel assembly.

I'm not sure if I've ever really seen a mod wheel on anything but a synth (they've probably been used on something else...). So, there's not much market for them.

You'd have to make one yourself probably. Besides the spring loading mechanism, it wouldn't be all that difficult I guess. maybe you already know, but it's basically just a pot on it's side, connected to a larger plastic circle.

It might be funner to make a touch-pad, ribbon, or someother controller though. I've also always wanted ro eventually get around to building a X-Y theremin CV controller. I'm not so into the sound of the theremin (not that I don't like it exactly, but...) but it's such a fun and dramatic controller.

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Post by strata189 » Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:05 pm

check Doepfer's site - He has the mod wheels (not clear, though) and joysticks.

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