Foogers and Digi002

Bryan T · Post by **Bryan T** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:42 am

Do any of you use your Foogers as inserts with a Digi002? I just purchased a Digi002 and am having an issue with overloading the input on the Foogers when used as an insert. Do I need to use a pad to get the signal down to instrument level? For some reason I thought that the Foogers worked at line level when the Drive setting was turned counter clockwise. Any tips?

Thanks,
Bryan

Bryan T · Post by **Bryan T** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:32 am

Hmm . . . I guess none of you have tried this?

My current work around is to set up a send to the Fooger than knocks 10 dB off of the signal. Then I have the return from the Fooger go to a new track and add the 10 dB back. This seems kind of hokey and is probably adding some noise to the audio.

It would be really nice to simply add the Foogers as an insert, but I end up overloading them. Any ideas on getting this to work correctly?

Bryan

OLFAudio · Post by **OLFAudio** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:08 am

Hey-
I just tried running an insert via the 002r through every MF and did not have this issue.
Which insert channel were you using? If you are using 1-4, keep in mind that the insert still sees the line preamp on those channels. You may need to turn them all the way down.

Try to run the insert on i/o 5 ad see if you have the same issues.

If that doesn't help, let me know and I'll be happy to help you troubleshoot

Bryan T · Post by **Bryan T** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:02 am

I'm using insert channel 5. Even with the gain on the Foogers at the lowest setting the signal LED is yellow most of the time and red pretty frequently, sometimes it will be red all the time.

After reading through the manual for the Digi002 and the Foogers, I don't see why it is overloading like this, as the inserts are supposed to be line level and the Foogers are also supposed to work at line level.

An example of what I'm doing is taking a synth sound from Reason on an instrument track and adding the Ring Mod as an insert. The Reason track doesn't clip within Pro Tools, but the insert signal is too hot for the Ring Mod.

I'm running Pro Tools 7.1 with the most recent update. The session is 24 bit, I'm not sure what the sampling rate is. I'm going to try a session at 16 bit tomorrow to see if that might be related.

Thanks for any help,
Bryan

Bryan T · Post by **Bryan T** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:45 pm

I spent some time experimenting this afternoon and was able to get everything to work properly. I simply needed to reduce the volume of the virtual synths within Reason and everything worked fine. It seems that despite the lack of clipping within Reason and Pro Tools, the line level signal was just too hot for the Ring Mod or Low Pass Filter.

I haven't messed around with any audio files yet, but I'll try that out tonight.

Bryan

Robzilla · Post by **Robzilla** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:02 am

can you explain what you mean with 'using it as an insert'? Do you mean that u simply use the mooger as some outboard gear? using an output from the 002r into the mofo and back into the 002r?

im thinking of getting an 002r in the future..

Bryan T · Post by **Bryan T** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:10 pm

Robzilla wrote:can you explain what you mean with 'using it as an insert'? Do you mean that u simply use the mooger as some outboard gear? using an output from the 002r into the mofo and back into the 002r?

That is exactly what I mean. Within a track in Pro Tools you have the option for up to 10 inserts. These can be software based (the RTAS plug-ins) or hardware basued using an input/output pair. The issue I was having was that there is no control (that I can find) for the level of the insert send, which was causing the Moog hardware to overload.

Bryan

writeroxie · Post by **writeroxie** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:15 pm

probably a dumb question... but where are the insert in/outs on the back? i looked at a diagram of the digi002r and didnt seem them labeled.

i'm likely going to get the digi002r soon as well.

Bryan T · Post by **Bryan T** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:18 pm

writeroxie wrote:probably a dumb question... but where are the insert in/outs on the back? i looked at a diagram of the digi002r and didnt seem them labeled.

You just use an output and an input with the same number. The software/hardware routes everything correctly when you add a hardware insert to a track.

If you want multiple tracks to share an insert you need to set up a bus to an aux track and put the insert there.

Bryan

Cutter_For_Hire · Post by **Cutter_For_Hire** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:18 pm

I never used inserts but new channels....
Oops.
Though "my way" never wrought clipping hassles

falseface11 · Post by **falseface11** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:14 am

are the line outputs on the 002 units switchable between +4 and -10 dbv,
because this is a common mistake. for the moogerfoogers the output level should be -10 dbv. if your soft synths are not clipping in your software(reason or protools) the output level should not clip the moogers with the drive knob counter clockwise. i bet the default output level is +4dbv and it must be software switched to -10dbv